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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Actually He said, 'the poor will be with us always.'

    He also said, 'go thy way and sin no more.'

    Reality is that people no longer want to hear what they need to hear. They want to hear what they want to hear. Too bad the church is no longer willing to uphold the teachings of Jesus Christ who said that 'eunuchs from birth' should not marry.
    All the pope said was that you shouldn't harass gays anymore. How is that "no longer willing to uphold the teachings of christ". Did christ ever say "Thou shalt have thine government deny rights to sinners that you readily enjoy!"?
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    And if the church embraces space aliens, what will the church do when it finds out they have their own pope?
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Actually He said, 'the poor will be with us always.'

    He also said, 'go thy way and sin no more.'

    Reality is that people no longer want to hear what they need to hear. They want to hear what they want to hear. Too bad the church is no longer willing to uphold the teachings of Jesus Christ who said that 'eunuchs from birth' should not marry.
    "eunuchs from birth"? How are we to interpret that phrase?

    "the poor will be with you always, but I am only here for a little while". Yes, that's true, and the poor are still with us, and no doubt always will be. Living in luxury while ignoring the poor was not what Christ was all about, and the new Pope seems to be not only making mouth noises about it, but also being an example.

    Go thy way and sin no more. That must have come to a surprise to people who thought that judging and then carrying out a punishment was the best course of action.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Rites are adapted to local cultures. For example, there are plenty of things that are allowed at Mass in Africa that are expressly forbidden at Mass in Europe, but this is due to differences in the way that cultures perceive things.

    But what we are talking about are disciplines. These are things that can change. For example, priests being celibate is a discipline. Eastern Churches do not require this. The doctrine of only allowing male priests, however, cannot change. That is doctrine.

    Doctrines cannot change, disciplines can.
    I am not attempting to argue that practice is entirely the same as doctrine, though there are implications abound. Would the establishment of a church doctrine at a much later period suffice for the doctrinal change?
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Well, if you think covering for pedophile priests and promoting the transmission of AIDS in Africa is moral order, I guess...
    Nope, I do not. Would I suppose you uphold hedonism?
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    All the pope said was that you shouldn't harass gays anymore. How is that "no longer willing to uphold the teachings of christ". Did christ ever say "Thou shalt have thine government deny rights to sinners that you readily enjoy!"?
    Actually Jesus said that 'eunuchs from birth' should not marry.

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    For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
    Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should acce

    And there were several things Jesus had no tolerance for:

    Mark 7:20-23

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    20 And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. 21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
    And when he forgave sin he told those he forgave to go and sin no more:

    John 8:11

    And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I am not attempting to argue that practice is entirely the same as doctrine, though there are implications abound. Would the establishment of a church doctrine at a much later period suffice for the doctrinal change?
    Why would it?

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Why would it?
    If, say, it was disputed that papal infallibility was a legitimate concept prior to the 14th century, couldn't this hold for some interesting discussions on the changes held in the church?
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Actually Jesus said that 'eunuchs from birth' should not marry.



    Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should acce

    And there were several things Jesus had no tolerance for:



    And when he forgave sin he told those he forgave to go and sin no more:
    Every single one of your examples said absolutely nothing to suggest that you should force your views on anybody, much less have the government enforce your views.

    If you want to think they're sinners, then you can do that, but you can't use the government to force them out of that sin.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If, say, it was disputed that papal infallibility was a legitimate concept prior to the 14th century, couldn't this hold for some interesting discussions on the changes held in the church?
    This seems like a reach.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

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