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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    You might want to take a second look about that statement. Many 'sins' are crimes. And you can lose your assets over them, be jailed for them, and in some states, even be put to death for committing one.
    I completely understood your comment. But my point still stands. What you refer to as sins recognized as crimes would be declared crimes if there were no religious declarations of sin.

    Long, long ago, humanity become civilized enough to realize that certain behaviors that are anti-social...which necessitates the creation of laws... to maintain civil order. So if you're trying to say that there is a resemblance of what you've been taught to believe as sins. Most laws that you deem as sins have been around way before western religious teachings existed...in one form or another.

    It's not rocket science to know that unchecked killing, stealing, getting caught with the neighbor's spouse...all create social havoc at some level.

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I completely understood your comment. But my point still stands. What you refer to as sins recognized as crimes would be declared crimes if there were no religious declarations of sin.

    Long, long ago, humanity become civilized enough to realize that certain behaviors that are anti-social...which necessitates the creation of laws... to maintain civil order. So if you're trying to say that there is a resemblance of what you've been taught to believe as sins. Most laws that you deem as sins have been around way before western religious teachings existed...in one form or another.

    It's not rocket science to know that unchecked killing, stealing, getting caught with the neighbor's spouse...all create social havoc at some level.
    No, it's not, and people have understood that for thousands of years.
    But, in modern society, killing and stealing are crimes. Getting caught with the neighbor's spouse may be a sin, but it is not a crime.

    Getting killed for being caught with the neighbor's spouse may be a crime, but, that's one committed by the neighbor.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Which was also condemned by the Church.

    He wasn't excommunicated for having a problem with the selling of indulgences.
    So it was only for being a "heretic"? What does that really mean? Disagreeing with Rome and the Pope and having the balls to say so?

    How many "heretics" were killed during the Inquisition? How many were women and children were raped and killed by the Catholic churches troops during the Crusades? How many converted to Catholicism at the the point of a sword? How many "heretics" did the "Church" kill because the refused to convert? How many rapist, murderers, thieves and others had their "sins cleansed" by serving in the "Churches" armies doing the raping and killing? How many "heretics" died for possessing copies of the Bible in their own languages instead of the Latin version allowed by the church?

    How many millions of Catholics today live in abject poverty, which the "church" still collects tithes from, while the Lords of the Church live in opulence that rivals any king or Merchant Prince in history?
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, it's not, and people have understood that for thousands of years.
    But, in modern society, killing and stealing are crimes. Getting caught with the neighbor's spouse may be a sin, but it is not a crime.

    Getting killed for being caught with the neighbor's spouse may be a crime, but, that's one committed by the neighbor.
    Ditto...NO---WHAT'S NOT?

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    You might want to take a second look about that statement. Many 'sins' are crimes. Ad you can lose your assets over them, be jailed for them, and in some states, even be put to death for committing one.
    In which said:

    I completely understood your comment. But my point still stands. What you refer to as sins recognized as crimes would be declared crimes if there were no religious declarations of sin.

    Long, long ago, humanity become civilized enough to realize that certain behaviors that are anti-social...which necessitates the creation of laws... to maintain civil order. So if you're trying to say that there is a resemblance of what you've been taught to believe as sins. Most laws that you deem as sins have been around way before western religious teachings existed...in one form or another.

    It's not rocket science to know that unchecked killing, stealing, getting caught with the neighbor's spouse...all create social havoc at some level. These behaviors, by all societies, even thousands of years ago - were seen as some form of crime as opposed to a sin describe by a religion.
    That was my point...people have recognized for thousands of years that specific anti-social behaviors aren't socially healthy...considered them to be crimes...not sins.

    Getting caught with the neighbor's spouse can indeed precipitate more violent behaviors ...such as assault or killing. And in some countries even today is consider adultery, punishable by death.

    A biblical equivalent in days of old... And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. (Lev. 20:10).

    I guarantee that way, way, way before biblical times...that was a no-no...and held some form of social punishment.

    To be honest, Ditto...I'm still not getting your point...as a reply to my post.

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Sure you can quote wikipedia... I don't see how that refutes my statement. Yours is a definition, mine is an explanation. Maybe you don't understand the difference?
    Indulgences are for everyone, not just royalty. It's always been that way.

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So it was only for being a "heretic"? What does that really mean? Disagreeing with Rome and the Pope and having the balls to say so?
    It means professing beliefs that lead souls astray. Protesting indulgences doesn't do that, denying transubstantiation does.

    How many "heretics" were killed during the Inquisition?
    Many less than you think.

    How many were women and children were raped and killed by the Catholic churches troops during the Crusades? How many converted to Catholicism at the the point of a sword? How many "heretics" did the "Church" kill because the refused to convert?
    You could easily ask those same questions about the Muslim invaders.

    How many rapist, murderers, thieves and others had their "sins cleansed" by serving in the "Churches" armies doing the raping and killing? How many "heretics" died for possessing copies of the Bible in their own languages instead of the Latin version allowed by the church?
    No, just quit this urban legend. The Church was not against translating the Bible. They were against INCORRECT translations.

    How many millions of Catholics today live in abject poverty, which the "church" still collects tithes from, while the Lords of the Church live in opulence that rivals any king or Merchant Prince in history?
    THERE IS NO TITHING IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Correct, but he still associated with them, did he not?
    What's your point? Gays and atheists are welcomed at Mass. Reception of Communion is a different story.

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post

    And when was the last time YOU took in a homeless person? Don't even bother to answer. You never have.
    So what? I'm not the Pope. I'm not even Catholic.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    General interpretation is that it is someone who is unable to procreate due to not being attracted to the opposite sex.
    The "general interpretation" seems not to have anything to do with the actual meaning of the word.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Actually, the government does enforce my views on pretty much every one. It is called the Criminal Code, and is administered by the criminal justice system.
    Well, they're not going to enforce your anti-homosexual views, so you might as well get used to it, homie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    There are many crimes which don't have a 'victim' per se.

    Here is a partial list:



    Victimless Crimes
    And that's why you want to force your religion on us and harass gays? No thank you, Maenad. Keep your jesus BS to yourself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    When did the pope say you should harass gays? I must have missed that one.
    You must have reading comprehension issues. I said the pope said no longer should the church harass gays, not that they should. I guess you hear what you want to hear.

    I can't wait until your bigoted generation dies off, because my generation sees homosexuals as human beings who deserve equal rights. They don't hide behind a ****ty, bigoted book to force their hate on others.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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