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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Possibly the Apostle Peter. Definitely one back when the Catholic church concerned itself with religious faith instead of political power and influence. So, on between Peter but still back in the dark ages, assuming that the Catholic church ever did concern itself with peoples souls instead of power, wealth and influence.

    Martin Luther would be the best pope, but then he pointed out the fallacies of the Catholic Church and was excommunicated and didn't become pope. So the Church continues on it's path of seeking power, wealth and influence and not concerning itself with actual people or their souls.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Possibly the Apostle Peter. Definitely one back when the Catholic church concerned itself with religious faith instead of political power and influence. So, on between Peter but still back in the dark ages, assuming that the Catholic church ever did concern itself with peoples souls instead of power, wealth and influence.

    Martin Luther would be the best pope, but then he pointed out the fallacies of the Catholic Church and was excommunicated and didn't become pope. So the Church continues on it's path of seeking power, wealth and influence and not concerning itself with actual people or their souls.
    Luther was a heretic. He was excommunicated for denying that the Eucharist literally was the Body of Christ and for proclaiming salvation by faith alone.

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Really? I don't remember that. Jesus seemed to have no problem associating with sinners.
    He made clear that he did not approve of their sins.

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Nope, I do not. Would I suppose you uphold hedonism?
    No, where did you get that?
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Luther was a heretic. He was excommunicated for denying that the Eucharist literally was the Body of Christ and for proclaiming salvation by faith alone.
    I'm pretty sure Lutheran's have a different opinion about that than do Catholics.

    Also, he had 95 Theses against the Catholic Church, not just those two. Including the selling of Indulgences.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    All the pope said was that you shouldn't harass gays anymore. How is that "no longer willing to uphold the teachings of christ". Did christ ever say "Thou shalt have thine government deny rights to sinners that you readily enjoy!"?
    When did the pope say you should harass gays? I must have missed that one.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    "eunuchs from birth"? How are we to interpret that phrase?

    "the poor will be with you always, but I am only here for a little while". Yes, that's true, and the poor are still with us, and no doubt always will be. Living in luxury while ignoring the poor was not what Christ was all about, and the new Pope seems to be not only making mouth noises about it, but also being an example.

    Go thy way and sin no more. That must have come to a surprise to people who thought that judging and then carrying out a punishment was the best course of action.
    If there is any verse in the bible that says Jesus actually gave money to the poor, I don't know what it is. He lived the law and was therefore perfect, so he must have given money to the church. But I know of no instance he gave money to the poor.

    And when was the last time YOU took in a homeless person? Don't even bother to answer. You never have.

    Jesus told the lame man to take up his bed and walk. He didn't give him money. I think that one is at least worth a try.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Every single one of your examples said absolutely nothing to suggest that you should force your views on anybody, much less have the government enforce your views.

    If you want to think they're sinners, then you can do that, but you can't use the government to force them out of that sin.
    Actually, the government does enforce my views on pretty much every one. It is called the Criminal Code, and is administered by the criminal justice system.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I'm pretty sure Lutheran's have a different opinion about that than do Catholics.

    Also, he had 95 Theses against the Catholic Church, not just those two. Including the selling of Indulgences.
    Agree that there were quite a few more issues than the two mentioned by DVS. Most of the 95 issues have been addressed in the mean time, so not sure what Lutherans' beef now is about. I remember I had a friend at university who was Lutheran. Fresh from a history class about medieval religion in Europe, I asked him if he knew why he was Lutheran and if he had ever read about the 95 theses or Luther. "No," was the response, "my family is Lutheran so I am."

    Side note: "Indulgences" were primarily for royals. A way for them to reconcile killing in battle or other sins committed during their divine charge as royalty.

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Let's see what the word actually means:



    So, "eunuch from birth" must mean that the sexual organs were removed en utero, or perhaps it's a reference to #3, someone who lacks power.
    General interpretation is that it is someone who is unable to procreate due to not being attracted to the opposite sex.
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