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  • You can have any gun you want and no one can stop you.

    17 33.33%
  • You can have any ARM you want. Why stop at guns? Knives, grenades, nunchucks, tanks...it's all good!

    10 19.61%
  • Yeah, you can have a gun, but there are limits to that right, like every other right.

    21 41.18%
  • You can have a gun so you can join in a militia instead of having a standing army.

    10 19.61%
  • You can have an 18th century single-shot firearm and no one can stop you.

    8 15.69%
  • You and your gun cannot be singled out by the government, it has to follow it's own laws

    8 15.69%
  • As a principle you should have the right to a gun, but we're not going to explain how.

    4 7.84%
  • It's purposefully vague.

    5 9.80%
  • Other

    10 19.61%
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you have your rights from your humanity, and your rights are vast, the founders knew this, some wanted a bill of rights, some didn't, the ones that didn't thought by listing rights, it would in essence limits rights to only what is on the listing in the constitution, which are a few, however the 9th amendment was added to state that citizen's have more rights then are listed in the bill of rights, and placed on the federal government restrictions, that the federal government will make no laws which infringe on the rights of citizens.

    since the days of the founders, people have had their vast rights infringed on by government which are not listed, and the USSC, has recognized those rights which are not listed, like the right to privacy, right to association, and placed further restrictions on the government which they are not to infringe on.

    so the constitution never gave you a right, it just recognizes rights you have from your humanity, and restricts the federal government from passing any law which would again...infringe on them.

    so rights of the people cannot be repealed, because their are no rights in the constitution, just a prohibition on government.

    so how can government repeal a restriction........... which is placed on them.

    it would be like a robber, having the ability to change the law, to make is crime lawful.
    Because not everyone agrees with this interpretation of things?
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Because not everyone agrees with this interpretation of things?
    well I will give you proof.

    its the preamble to the bill of rights.

    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

    translation:
    because some members of the constitutional convention, at the time of adopting the constitution, expressed a desire in order to prevent the abuses which may come from federal government powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added to the constitution to give the public more confidence in the new government, and will best ensure of the government doing good, by its institution or creation.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its a prohibition on government, it is not a right.
    Okay. We have the right to prohibit government. Izzat better?

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Okay. We have the right to prohibit government. Izzat better?
    well what I trying to convey is we don't get rights from a piece of paper, but our humanity, government cannot take them away, they can only violate the constitution by violating the restrictions placed on them.

    so I am not at all being argumentative with you

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well I will give you proof.

    its the preamble to the bill of rights.

    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

    translation:
    because some members of the constitutional convention, at the time of adopting the constitution, expressed a desire in order to prevent the abuses which may come from federal government powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added to the constitution to give the public more confidence in the new government, and will best ensure of the government doing good, by its institution or creation.
    I think part of the issue here is that you think I disagree with you.

    I don't.

    My point is, rather, that some people DO. And some of those people are in power positions.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I think part of the issue here is that you think I disagree with you.

    I don't.

    My point is, rather, that some people DO. And some of those people are in power positions.
    no I did not think you disagreed, I just wanted to show you were the restrictions were stated in the constitution

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