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  • You can have any gun you want and no one can stop you.

    17 33.33%
  • You can have any ARM you want. Why stop at guns? Knives, grenades, nunchucks, tanks...it's all good!

    10 19.61%
  • Yeah, you can have a gun, but there are limits to that right, like every other right.

    21 41.18%
  • You can have a gun so you can join in a militia instead of having a standing army.

    10 19.61%
  • You can have an 18th century single-shot firearm and no one can stop you.

    8 15.69%
  • You and your gun cannot be singled out by the government, it has to follow it's own laws

    8 15.69%
  • As a principle you should have the right to a gun, but we're not going to explain how.

    4 7.84%
  • It's purposefully vague.

    5 9.80%
  • Other

    10 19.61%
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    You're confusing interests and rights. Interests exist because of a person's humanity. Communities create rights to allow pursuit of interests.

    For instance, we have property rights because a landowner has an interest in controlling a piece of land.

    incorrect..... the constitution states rights and privileges only...there is nothing else.

    communities do not create rights, if man could create rights, then he could take then when i felt like it, he could give them to his friends, and not other people.

    no where in the founding documents to you see the founders creating rights........government can create a .......privilege

    a right , i need no authority to act on.

    a privilege, requires i have authority to act on.

    privileges are not always given to every citizen, but every citizens does have rights.

    people had property rights in the beginning, however other people wish to take away ones property, and that is why government is instituted,....... to secure rights of the people.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

    if every man, respected the right of every other man......no government would be needed at all......becuase we would all work and help each other in harmony........but we dont, so government is there to protect everyone rights, from those who would infringe on them.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I think the responses of the poll suggest that what the 2nd Amendment really says is in dispute.
    But WHY is it in dispute?
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    It reads, I have a gun, it is loaded, best be on your way...

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    It reads, I have a gun, it is loaded, best be on your way...
    Are you sure that's not your doormat?
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Are you sure that's not your doormat?
    Nah, I'm not one of them that allows people to walk all over my Rights...

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Nah, I'm not one of them that allows people to walk all over my Rights...
    Ha!

    But I do think that'd make a decent doormat line...bit long perhaps...
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Ha!

    But I do think that'd make a decent doormat line...bit long perhaps...
    The second is a big right. Deserves a big doormat.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The second is a big right. Deserves a big doormat.
    its a prohibition on government, it is not a right.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its a prohibition on government, it is not a right.
    The prohibition prevents the government from infringing on the right.

    That's what all the "rights" are - not something the gov gives us, but something they're not allowed to take away.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The prohibition prevents the government from infringing on the right.

    That's what all the "rights" are - not something the gov gives us, but something they're not allowed to take away.

    Basically.
    you have your rights from your humanity, and your rights are vast, the founders knew this, some wanted a bill of rights, some didn't, the ones that didn't thought by listing rights, it would in essence limits rights to only what is on the listing in the constitution, which are a few, however the 9th amendment was added to state that citizen's have more rights then are listed in the bill of rights, and placed on the federal government restrictions, that the federal government will make no laws which infringe on the rights of citizens.

    since the days of the founders, people have had their vast rights infringed on by government which are not listed, and the USSC, has recognized those rights which are not listed, like the right to privacy, right to association, and placed further restrictions on the government which they are not to infringe on.

    so the constitution never gave you a right, it just recognizes rights you have from your humanity, and restricts the federal government from passing any law which would again...infringe on them.

    so rights of the people cannot be repealed, because their are no rights in the constitution, just a prohibition on government.

    so how can government repeal a restriction........... which is placed on them.

    it would be like a robber, having the ability to change the law, to make is crime lawful.

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