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  • You can have any gun you want and no one can stop you.

    17 33.33%
  • You can have any ARM you want. Why stop at guns? Knives, grenades, nunchucks, tanks...it's all good!

    10 19.61%
  • Yeah, you can have a gun, but there are limits to that right, like every other right.

    21 41.18%
  • You can have a gun so you can join in a militia instead of having a standing army.

    10 19.61%
  • You can have an 18th century single-shot firearm and no one can stop you.

    8 15.69%
  • You and your gun cannot be singled out by the government, it has to follow it's own laws

    8 15.69%
  • As a principle you should have the right to a gun, but we're not going to explain how.

    4 7.84%
  • It's purposefully vague.

    5 9.80%
  • Other

    10 19.61%
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    You asked for an example. Now you have one.
    the civil right act is general........what rights are you talking about?...name 1.

    the federal government cannot create a right, they can only recognize a right exist, and place a prohibition on government from violating that right, and that has to come from the court and reoconized.

    federal law, does not create rights.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the civil right act is general........what rights are you talking about?...name 1.
    The right to be served at a lunch counter which otherwise would prohibit service on the basis of race.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The right to be served at a lunch counter which otherwise would prohibit service on the basis of race.
    sorry no! ,you have NO RIGHT TO BE SERVED......that is false.

    it is u.s. code ...federal law, which states you cannot discriminate.......and that law is unconstitutional...why?

    because to use the power of force to make one citizen serve another citizen is illegal according to the u.s. constitution ...13th amendment.....it is "involuntary servitude"...........there can be no involuntary servitude in the u.s. for a citizen unless that citizen is convicted of a crime.

    13th.."Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction"

    Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker's financial needs. While laboring to benefit another occurs also in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.

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    discrimination laws are not criminal law, they are statutory law......constitutional law overrides statutory law.

    Statutory law or statute law is written law (as opposed to oral or customary law) set down by a legislature (as opposed to regulatory law promulgated by the executive or common law of the judiciary) or by a legislator (in the case of an absolute monarchy).[1] Statutes may originate with national, state legislatures or local municipalities. Statutory laws are subordinate to the higher constitutional laws of the land.


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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    discrimination laws are not criminal law, they are statutory law......constitutional law overrides statutory law.

    Statutory law or statute law is written law (as opposed to oral or customary law) set down by a legislature (as opposed to regulatory law promulgated by the executive or common law of the judiciary) or by a legislator (in the case of an absolute monarchy).[1] Statutes may originate with national, state legislatures or local municipalities. Statutory laws are subordinate to the higher constitutional laws of the land.


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    Are you saying the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is unconstitutional?
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Are you saying the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is unconstitutional?
    anything, that would force one person to serve another person against their will is involuntary servitude, and that is unconstitutional, becuase federal law, does not override constitutional law.

    13th--""Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker's financial needs""

    While laboring to benefit another occurs also in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.


    please show me where the USSC as ruled you have right to be serve by another person...........that would be illogical......to believe you, .....yourself can --------->force another person to labor for you.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    please show me where the USSC as ruled you have right to be serve by another person...........that would be illogical......to believe you, .....yourself can --------->force another person to labor for you.
    Seriously. Are you saying a black person can be refused service for no reason other than being black because service would be involuntary servitude?

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 had been law for almost 50 years. Why hasn't the Supreme Court overturned it?
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Seriously. Are you saying a black person can be refused service for no reason other than being black because service would be involuntary servitude?

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 had been law for almost 50 years. Why hasn't the Supreme Court overturned it?
    first question out of the 1964 act.....has the court declared right to be served .......out of it?..no!

    that is exactly what i am saying ..................becuase it is constitutional law...no one can be forced to do something ,unless they commit a crime.

    there is no right to be served, ...however there is a right to association..and as a business owner /person i have the right not to associate with you.

    government does not create rights......the court recognizes rights which preexist.......rights the 9th amendment states do exist. not mentioned in the first 8 clauses of the bill of rights.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Yet another example of a self proclaimed RIGHT LIBERTARIAN going to great lengths to rationalize and justify discrimination against minorities.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is exactly what i am saying ..................becuase it is constitutional law...no one can be forced to do something ,unless they commit a crime.

    there is no right to be served, ...however there is a right to association..and as a business owner /person i have the right not to associate with you.
    You should do some research.

    You're wrong.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yet another example of a self proclaimed RIGHT LIBERTARIAN going to great lengths to rationalize and justify discrimination against minorities.
    Great lengths, indeed.
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