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  • You can have any gun you want and no one can stop you.

    17 33.33%
  • You can have any ARM you want. Why stop at guns? Knives, grenades, nunchucks, tanks...it's all good!

    10 19.61%
  • Yeah, you can have a gun, but there are limits to that right, like every other right.

    21 41.18%
  • You can have a gun so you can join in a militia instead of having a standing army.

    10 19.61%
  • You can have an 18th century single-shot firearm and no one can stop you.

    8 15.69%
  • You and your gun cannot be singled out by the government, it has to follow it's own laws

    8 15.69%
  • As a principle you should have the right to a gun, but we're not going to explain how.

    4 7.84%
  • It's purposefully vague.

    5 9.80%
  • Other

    10 19.61%
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So an armed militia that knows the Obama administration is dangerous to America and should be taken out needs its guns per the 2nd amendment. I think I understand.
    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its[ FEDERAL ]powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.


    the bill of right are clauses which are declaratory and restrictive to the federal government, government cannot change restrictions which are to bind them.

    as jefferson says, "the chains of the Constitution".....which bind that federal government

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    rights are not created by statute, where do you think the rights come from the constitution?

    the rights we have... existed before the constitution, or do you need proof, ..to show your wrong again.

    Feel free to try.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I'm a retired design engineer and I still thing like one. So, please explain what is "the character and nature of the citizenry at large"? Could it be just a neighbor hood, or the majority of a town or a state etc.
    The ranks must be filled with citizens from all walks of life from the whole country. The cannot be filled only with those whose first loyalty is to the military.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    The Constitution Does Not Grant Rights!

    I have in the past written about the folly of constitution worship here and here, but the widespread belief by most Americans that this document grants us our rights, and that it also is meant to protect our freedoms, is in my opinion absurd.

    Natural rights, or any rights for that matter, are inherent due to our very humanity. Our right to life and liberty, whether one believes that those rights come from God or not, can never be bestowed by men. For if men can bestow rights, then they are not rights at all, because they can just as easily be taken away. To believe then, that a group of men that some call "founders," could with the stroke of a pen grant rights to another group of men, is ludicrous.

    Our rights to life and liberty are evident from the time of our very existence. These rights encompass all others, for without the right to life, and the freedom to sustain and protect that life; no other rights could possibly exist. Pieces of paper secretly drafted by politicians in the dark of night cannot give or protect rights, as those same politicians, or those who follow in their footsteps, could arbitrarily change the rules at any time of their choosing. For any set of rules to be valid, they first have to be accepted voluntarily by the individuals involved, and actively defended at every turn. But today, those individuals affected rely on a small group of corrupt politicians called "representatives," to act in their behalf, instead of taking responsibility for their own lot in life. That, in my opinion, is a recipe for tyranny.
    The author has confused interests with rights. Humans are born with natural interests. Communities declare rights to permit humans to pursue their interests.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Gun control is a hot issue, but it all comes down to the 2nd Amendment, which reads:

    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    But what does that sentence actually guarantee?
    The first part of the statement is a reason, it is not the right. People often mistake the two.
    Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Feel free to try.

    no answer, ..i see

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The author has confused interests with rights. Humans are born with natural interests. Communities declare rights to permit humans to pursue their interests.

    sorry no... rights which are listed in the constitution, are listed else where before the constitution was ever created, the constitution of the u.s. ....grants, gives or creates no rights...at all...so people do not create rights...........care to show me, where any rights have been created by our government?

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no... rights which are listed in the constitution, are listed else where before the constitution was ever created, the constitution of the u.s. ....grants, gives or creates no rights...at all...so people do not create rights...........care to show me, where any rights have been created by our government?

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The Civil Rights Act of 1964.
    oh, that is a general statement , what rights have been created by government.. since rights can only come from the constitution, congress cannot make any...only privileges.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, that is a general statement , what rights have been created by government.. since rights can only come from the constitution, congress cannot make any...only privileges.
    You asked for an example. Now you have one.
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