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  • You can have any gun you want and no one can stop you.

    17 33.33%
  • You can have any ARM you want. Why stop at guns? Knives, grenades, nunchucks, tanks...it's all good!

    10 19.61%
  • Yeah, you can have a gun, but there are limits to that right, like every other right.

    21 41.18%
  • You can have a gun so you can join in a militia instead of having a standing army.

    10 19.61%
  • You can have an 18th century single-shot firearm and no one can stop you.

    8 15.69%
  • You and your gun cannot be singled out by the government, it has to follow it's own laws

    8 15.69%
  • As a principle you should have the right to a gun, but we're not going to explain how.

    4 7.84%
  • It's purposefully vague.

    5 9.80%
  • Other

    10 19.61%
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Thread: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You fail on many grounds

    repeating firearms were in existence in 1789 or so and contemplating that firearms would fire more rapidly in the future was common among weapons designers. Far more achievable with the technology that existed then then say the internet, television, or even electrically powered printing presses.
    Yes, I don't see how we could have possibly approached TV, internet, radio, planes or automobiles with such a strict interpretation of the constitution that limits the powers of the federal government to what is literally spelled out.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Yes, I don't see how we could have possibly approached TV, internet, radio, planes or automobiles with such a strict interpretation of the constitution that limits the powers of the federal government to what is literally spelled out.
    I am not the one who thinks amendments are limited to 18th century technology

    the freedom of the press is not dependent on the state of the art

    nor is the balance between state employees and other citizens when it comes to arms

    the musket argument only applies if the government operatives never adopted more advanced weapons

    anything cops have the rest of us civilians should clearly have

    same with the standard issue infantry rifle



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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Yes, I don't see how we could have possibly approached TV, internet, radio, planes or automobiles with such a strict interpretation of the constitution that limits the powers of the federal government to what is literally spelled out.
    the authors of the 2nd amendment made it perfectly clear its purpose was so one can protect ones self, family, neighbor, property and liberty from foreign or domestic threats and those threats are just as relevant today as it was 200 years ago

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Yes, I don't see how we could have possibly approached TV, internet, radio, planes or automobiles with such a strict interpretation of the constitution that limits the powers of the federal government to what is literally spelled out.
    You completely missed his point. You would obviously consider the content of TV, the Internet, and electrically-powered printing presses to be protected by the First Amendment without any fuss. That's much more of a stretch under your silly "18th century" argument than the arms of today.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not the one who thinks amendments are limited to 18th century technology

    the freedom of the press is not dependent on the state of the art

    nor is the balance between state employees and other citizens when it comes to arms

    the musket argument only applies if the government operatives never adopted more advanced weapons

    anything cops have the rest of us civilians should clearly have

    same with the standard issue infantry rifle
    I agree with these points but I think some require a "living constitution" understanding to arrive at them.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not the one who thinks amendments are limited to 18th century technology

    the freedom of the press is not dependent on the state of the art

    nor is the balance between state employees and other citizens when it comes to arms

    the musket argument only applies if the government operatives never adopted more advanced weapons

    anything cops have the rest of us civilians should clearly have

    same with the standard issue infantry rifle
    When you've never had the argument before, you don't understand what kind of a softball the "18th century argument" is.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I agree with these points but I think some require a "living constitution" understanding to arrive at them.
    No, they don't. They simply require an understanding of the concepts entailed within the rights and freedoms recognized in the Bill of Rights.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I agree with these points but I think some require a "living constitution" understanding to arrive at them.
    the people who want a living constitution are those most interested in killing it



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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the people who want a living constitution are those most interested in killing it
    That's how they prove it was "living."
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I agree with these points but I think some require a "living constitution" understanding to arrive at them.
    then that is what you need to do there is provision provided to make amendments. so stop trying to skirt around it or misinterpret it to meet your agenda change it

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