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  • You can have any gun you want and no one can stop you.

    17 33.33%
  • You can have any ARM you want. Why stop at guns? Knives, grenades, nunchucks, tanks...it's all good!

    10 19.61%
  • Yeah, you can have a gun, but there are limits to that right, like every other right.

    21 41.18%
  • You can have a gun so you can join in a militia instead of having a standing army.

    10 19.61%
  • You can have an 18th century single-shot firearm and no one can stop you.

    8 15.69%
  • You and your gun cannot be singled out by the government, it has to follow it's own laws

    8 15.69%
  • As a principle you should have the right to a gun, but we're not going to explain how.

    4 7.84%
  • It's purposefully vague.

    5 9.80%
  • Other

    10 19.61%
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The Second Amendment is not about guns. It's about the nature of the military.
    actually its about a pre existing right that involves citizens being well armed



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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually its about a pre existing right that involves citizens being well armed
    It is not.

    The Second Amendment is a stylistic disaster which attempts to declare for the People a right to control the military. It speaks of "the right to keep and bear arms" as if it existed but, in fact, is, itself, the source of the right.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's an interesting way of trying to defend one of the really dumb arguments

    that the second amendment only applies to muskets
    It's a defense of making "dumb" arguments.

    Still, having an originalist interpretation of the constitution and also saying that it covers aspects of the future that could never have been predicted is contradictory.

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    It is not.

    The Second Amendment is a stylistic disaster which attempts to declare for the People a right to control the military. It speaks of "the right to keep and bear arms" as if it existed but, in fact, is, itself, the source of the right.
    that has so many errors I don't know where to begin. You completely reject the entire premise upon which the constitution is based and apparently don't understand the concept of inalienable rights



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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    It's a defense of making "dumb" arguments.

    Still, having an originalist interpretation of the constitution and also saying that it covers aspects of the future that could never have been predicted is contradictory.
    You fail on many grounds

    repeating firearms were in existence in 1789 or so and contemplating that firearms would fire more rapidly in the future was common among weapons designers. Far more achievable with the technology that existed then then say the internet, television, or even electrically powered printing presses.



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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that has so many errors I don't know where to begin. You completely reject the entire premise upon which the constitution is based and apparently don't understand the concept of inalienable rights
    In alienable rights are not a part of the Constitution. Neither they nor any other kind of right are its basis.
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    In alienable rights are not a part of the Constitution. Neither they nor any other kind of right are its basis.
    they are what the constitution was premised on

    do you set forth these silly arguments because

    1) you are ignorant of constitutional history

    2) you actually realize that most of the wet dreams of gun restrictions entertained by "very liberal" posters are contrary to a proper understanding of the second and tenth amendments so you have to come up with an alter-world interpretation that doesn't bitch slap your cravings for more gun restrictions?



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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    It's a defense of making "dumb" arguments.

    Still, having an originalist interpretation of the constitution and also saying that it covers aspects of the future that could never have been predicted is contradictory.
    Not if you bothered to find out what the original intent was, it isn't. The men who wrote the Constitution weren't idiots. They referred to freedoms and rights knowing full well that the concepts would remain the same even when details change. And when the Constitution actually proved inadequate for the state of future affairs? They included an amendment process to deal with it.

    This, of course, is a far more reasonable and honest approach than simply saying "oh, they couldn't have known, so we'll pretend the words means what we want them to mean."
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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    In alienable rights are not a part of the Constitution. Neither they nor any other kind of right are its basis.
    the bill of rights wasn't written to give us our rights it was written to keep government from taking them away . the bill of rights was written as a limiting document not an enabling document

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    Re: What Does the 2nd Amendment Actually Say?

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    the bill of rights wasn't written to give us our rights it was written to keep government from taking them away . the bill of rights was written as a limiting document not an enabling document

    sadly, many liberals work backwards. They start with the premise that the rights of conservative gun owners need to be curtailed and then try to interpret the second amendment so as to allow that



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