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Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    Votes: 3 3.4%

  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    Votes: 44 49.4%

  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    Votes: 18 20.2%

  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    Votes: 19 21.3%

  • I Don't Know.

    Votes: 5 5.6%
  • Total voters
    89
Cephus said:
You have no idea how utterly stupid that is. It makes about as much sense as the idiots who say that gay people have the same rights as straight people, they just have to marry people of the other gender.
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And yet, it remains true. Abortion is Constitutionally legal. Since only women can get pregnant, only women can make the choice to terminate their unborn non-person.
 
minnie616 said:
Well please start a thread about property right and right of association.

Please include what property rights you think are being infringed upon
And what you mean by right of association.
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well I could do that, but one thing to add, right to association means to have a right to associate with other people or not associate with other people, this stated by the court.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Can you kindly post a link to an article which states he "confessed to murder?" I looked, but I cannot find one. :shrug:
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He confessed to giving his girlfriend an abortion pill in a deliberately mislabeled bottle, a pill not prescribed to her, nor asked for, nor wanted by her.

That is a confession to murder under the UVVA, which requires the homicide he committed to be dealt with the same way as the homicide of any born human.


As it stands right now, a mother may elect to commit legal homicide despite a lack of justification. A father cannot.


I am not in the habit of calling homicides that should be murder "murder." Abortion should be prosecuted as murder but it is not currently.

His action was an illegal premeditated aggressive homicide which explicitly fits the criminal code for murder, and he has confessed to it.

Under our criminal code as it stands RIGHT NOW, he is a murderer and he confessed to murder. If he is allowed to plead to a lesser charge, then that is a travesty... but he is a confessed murderer just the same.
 
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wolfie said:
That was a statement..not a reply...
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Why are you making a statement to a person about something that they are not talking about then?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why are you making a statement to a person about something that they are not talking about then?
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Because she's wolfie that's why! :2razz:
 
Why is this poll anonymous? I would be interested in seeing who voted.
 
ChrisL said:
Why is this poll anonymous? I would be interested in seeing who voted.
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If you are asking me (since I made the poll) it's because I don't care who votes which way. I just want an honest poll where people feel free to vote without worrying about other people judging them. Not everyone who votes will also participate in the debate. Those who do make it fairly clear where they stand in their thread comments.

I also added the pro-life option even though their vote doesn't much "count," since we already know most won't look at this as a hypothetical but just another forum for pro-choice bashing. Still, I didn't want people filling up the thread with complaints about not having "their option" posted. :)
 
Captain Adverse said:
If you are asking me (since I made the poll) it's bcause I don't care who votes which way. I just want an honest poll where people feel free to vote without worrying about other people judging them. Not everyone who votes will also participate in the debate.

I also added the pro-life option even though their vote doesn't much "count," since we already know most won't look at this as a hypothetical but just another forum for pro-choice bashing. Still, I didn't want people filling up the thread with complaints about not having "their option" posted. :)
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No, we should be able to bash them for their votes. :lol:
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
The authority comes from the Constitution in that the state cannot prevent a woman from her right to have an abortion.
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Nope. That isn't in the U.S. Constitution.
 
I wonder who the two that voted yes are? Reveal yourselves! :2razz:
 
opendebate said:
But if both engage consequentially and the agreed upon from of birth control fail why should the women be reduced to choosing between abortion or the enormous financial burden of raising a child alone?
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I am not saying that it is fair... but women fought for, won and WANT the right to abortion, and that is good. But it is MORE unfair to force a man to pay for the woman's choice. If a woman, as the one that will be pregnant and face that difficult decision, is pro-life or not positive that she would abort... then she should not be having sex out of a secure relationship or marriage. The guy shouldn't either, really, but she is the one that will be having the baby.
 
JayDubya said:
Nope. That isn't in the U.S. Constitution.
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:roll: weren't you paying attention? This was already covered. I said it's not in the Constitution -- I said it was a decision from the U.S.S.C., the body with the privilege of interpreting the Constitution. In that ruling, they said it's a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy.

That decision renders the authority to allow women the right to an abortion from the Constitution.
 
Cephus said:
Yeah, it's something I've said for a long time too. I never get where people who proclaim they are for gender equality would be for something so utterly unequal as to say the woman has a choice but the man does not.
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That is the whole thing... they want equality but then ban the man from any. It is hypocritical and selfish. Why the state backs up this crap is beyond me.
 
Bodhisattva said:
That is the whole thing... they want equality but then ban the man from any. It is hypocritical and selfish. Why the state backs up this crap is beyond me.
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Because it's HER body.
 
Cephus said:
Why should the man be forced to pay for 18 years for a child he neither wanted, nor agreed to. Consenting to sex is not the same as consenting to reproduction.
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This Opendebate... it is better said than my statement.
 
Bodhisattva said:
That is the whole thing... they want equality but then ban the man from any. It is hypocritical and selfish. Why the state backs up this crap is beyond me.
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Howsabout I force you to get a vasectomy? Huh?
 
opendebate said:
it certainly is the same to consenting to the possibility of pregnancy. The way men look at this is totally skewed because they do not get pregnant. The man is responsble for taking every precaution for making certain that those swimmers don't make it if he does not keep them in wraps than he is consenting to any obligations that result form sex.
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You know... If it was that the man could opt out women wouldn't be running around having casual sex. The way it is now, men shouldn't be. They are and they are getting stuck with 18 years. If it was the other way around and women said no until marriage, for instance, then there would be no unplanned or unwanted pregnancies AT ALL and I would think that this is what would satisfy all sides to this debate. We should not be punishing either gender for people that want to have sex with others that they do not want to have a child with. I am a hypocrite about this too... I did it. It was stupid. I was lucky and never got one pregnant though...
 
JayDubya said:
He confessed to giving his girlfriend an abortion pill in a deliberately mislabeled bottle, a pill not prescribed to her, nor asked for, nor wanted by her.

That is a confession to murder under the UVVA, which requires the homicide he committed to be dealt with the same way as the homicide of any born human.


As it stands right now, a mother may elect to commit legal homicide despite a lack of justification. A father cannot.


I am not in the habit of calling homicides that should be murder "murder." Abortion should be prosecuted as murder but it is not currently.

His action was an illegal premeditated aggressive homicide which explicitly fits the criminal code for murder, and he has confessed to it.

Under our criminal code as it stands RIGHT NOW, he is a murderer and he confessed to murder. If he is allowed to plead to a lesser charge, then that is a travesty... but he is a confessed murderer just the same.
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If he committed murder .... and he was charged with murder .... and he confessed to murder ... why would the prosecution offer him a reduced charge? It doesn't seem to be as cut & dry as you portray.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Right. I am not saying that having the baby or not is anybody's choice but hers. Clear?
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No, if you support the proposal in the OP, then you support men having indirect control over a woman's decision.

Like I said, the only way this would be fair is if you tell her this before the sex act occurs. Then she decide if that's a chance she is willing to take, instead of waiting until she already has her child growing inside her. :roll:
 
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