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Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    Votes: 44 49.4%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    Votes: 18 20.2%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    Votes: 19 21.3%
  • I Don't Know.

    Votes: 5 5.6%

  • Total voters
    89
Well it's page 65 and no one's presented a reasonable argument that has convinced me my husband has the right to decide what I do and don't do with my body.

The OP was why men can't make this decision - and the fact remains that he's not the one who is pregnant. It's very simple.

Everyone's just trying to pretend it's more complicated for the sake of argument. Nothing changes this fact, though.
 
Just show me where in Roe v. Wade slavery is discussed. Do you need a link to Roe? Here you go: FindLaw | Cases and Codes

Show me. Where is slavery addressed in Roe. Where is it?
 
Should a man have an absolute right to have his baby aborted?

In the alternative, should he be granted relief from all legal responsibility if it is his clearly stated wish to abort but the woman decides not to?

Let me preface my remarks with this disclaimer; I am Pro-Choice and I support a woman’s absolute right to choose to have an abortion for several reasons, including the fact it is the woman who must endure the pregnancy to carry the child to term, and then follows the lifelong responsibility to raise and care for any child born.

The dilemma occurs when the woman unilaterally decides to have the baby, even when the male does not wish to accept that long-term responsibility.

In a recent news report, a young man was so desperate not to have a child that he tricked his girlfriend into taking a morning after pill. Now I do not support or condone this action, but it does bring up the thesis issue for me…why does the male partner have no say in a decision to keep the baby?

When a woman makes the unilateral decision to keep the baby this then compels lifelong legal and emotional obligations on the part of the unwilling father. This creates resentment and recriminations in both parties. By attempting to force the man to marry and/or support both her and the child this only serves to create a negative environment for all concerned, especially for any child to grow up in.

Since we now have a simple method of aborting in the early stages of the first trimester, without needing an invasive surgery, why should the absolute choice to keep the baby reside with the mother? If it does, why can’t the man be legally relieved of further responsibility to both parties?

I have offered several voting options, please pick and then explain what do you think? I am especially interested in arguments for why the woman has the sole right to keep the child while making the man permanently responsible.

I think we should call it a "legal" abortion where a man can decide he does not want to take care of the child, he will abolish his parental rights and not be liable for the mothers choice to have the baby. These feminists want women to have the right to choose, then lets give that to them. Deciding to keep the child when you will not have to finacially take care of it is not really much a choice. If she wants to choose, let her choose the right to abort/adopt the baby.. or take care of it herself. That would be a real choice.

IMO it is ultimately the female who must ensure she only has unprotected sex with partners who are legally bound to take care of her if she happens to get pregnant. It's her body that will have to ultimately deal with the aftermath of that decision. By forcing men to pay for a baby they don't want, you are making it easy for women to have unsafe sex because they know that if something happens, the state will take care of them.
 
If you don't want to pay child support, keep it in your pants

Problem solved

If you don't want to have a kid, don't spread your legs. Problem solved. The second you provide an out for one side, you need to provide an out for the other. Either or both. No special treatment.
 
The Constitution does not grant rights, it recognizes them. In this case, it recognizes that people have the right to decide whom and how they will serve, and the right to be free from compulsion or coercion to the contrary. To put it simply, the legal right to abortion extends from the same human right to life and liberty that everyone else enjoys. Government can legally prohibit abortion, just as it once legally permitted one human being to own another, but it cannot morally do so.

well I have not gone in abortion.

the constitution recognizes rights and privileges exist..........there is nothing else but those -------------2

if government gives you a privilege, then that is authority from government to act on something.

if I have authority to act outside of government, that is a right.

so there is no separate authority............... its either a right or a privilege
 
Just show me where in Roe v. Wade slavery is discussed. Do you need a link to Roe? Here you go: FindLaw | Cases and Codes

Show me. Where is slavery addressed in Roe. Where is it?

ever hear of "due process"

A women who wants to have a abortion but is forced to have a child against her will denies the womans right to due process.
 
Then why do you keep deflecting with misogynistic comments?

I'm not, it's not my fault if you see misogyny in everything. That's your issue, not mine.
 
Well it's page 65 and no one's presented a reasonable argument that has convinced me my husband has the right to decide what I do and don't do with my body.
Debate is not about convincing people of anything. You came to the wrong place.
 
It's not that simple...Cephus.


We know that human sexual behaviors...are what they are.

Unintended consequences happen as a result of a sexual event...even when contraceptives are used. People aren't going to stop having sex. Unintended consequences are inevitable.

You know yourself that sex is perform many, many, many more times for pleasure than for procreate. That's not going to stop. Let's work within the confines of reality.

So...what would be a course of action OTHER THAN keeping peckers in pants and legs closed? Can we somehow strive to create better preventions of conceptions through technology, for instance?

But that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm saying. If you are going to allow women an out of an unwanted pregnancy, you have to also allow men an out. To do anything else is unfair and unequal. Why is this so hard to understand?
 
Debate is not about convincing people of anything. You came to the wrong place.

That made me laugh out loud.

Every time you debate gun rights and abortion you're not trying to convince people to see it from your view, and perhaps forgo theirs? I don't think so, I'm not eating that.
 
Men do have the same rights as women. If they get pregnant, they have the choice to abort.

You have no idea how utterly stupid that is. It makes about as much sense as the idiots who say that gay people have the same rights as straight people, they just have to marry people of the other gender.
 
ever hear of "due process"

A women who wants to have a abortion but is forced to have a child against her will denies the womans right to due process.
The claim was that an abortion ban = slavery. Look at Roe Section 11. If an abortion ban = slavery then Roe allows slavery at the state's discretion after viability. Whoa what happened there!

But slavery has nothing to do with abortion. Nothing.
 
Every time you debate gun rights and abortion you're not trying to convince people to see it from your view, and perhaps forgo theirs?
No, I'm not. I'm using them as a springboard to say what i want to say, to put information out there, because the best response to bad speech is more good speech.
 
The claim was that an abortion ban = slavery. Look at Roe Section 11. If an abortion ban = slavery then Roe allows slavery at the state's discretion after viability. Whoa what happened there!

But slavery has nothing to do with abortion. Nothing.

you are forcing someone to do something against their will.

what is a slave but person forced into involuntary servitude?
 
I haven't ignored a thing. We were debating a specific point. You don't have to be interested in that, that's cool, you can take things in your own direction, no problem. So you want to talk about slavery, great, start be quoting where SCOTUS equated abortion with slavery and shut down abortion bans on those grounds.

Oh wait, SCOTUS didn't do that, right, because abortion has nothing whatsoever to do with slavery. Awww so much for that.

I haven't mentioned the Roe v. Wade decision once in this thread. You're deflecting again. Why can't you refute the argument that forced gestation is a form of slavery?

You truly have no idea who you're talking to or what you're talking about. Seriously.

Jerry, everyone on this forum knows who and what you are. And you're still doing everything in your power to avoid having an honest discussion of this, except to admit that you're wrong and stop advocating for an immoral and tyrannical political position.
 
No, I'm not. I'm using them as a springboard to say what i want to say, to put information out there, because the best response to bad speech is more good speech.

LOL

So, naturally, your view is the 'good speech' and the other views are 'the bad speech.'

Oh, Jerry.
 
You have no idea how utterly stupid that is. It makes about as much sense as the idiots who say that gay people have the same rights as straight people, they just have to marry people of the other gender.

"Rich people don't have the right to sleep under bridges, either, so laws against sleeping under bridges are perfectly fair to the poor."
 
you are forcing someone to do something against their will.
I'm not forcing anyone to do a damn thing. Nothing said on DebatePolitics.com is of any consequence. We are not congress, we do not make policy, we do not enforce law. If you win a debate, you don't get your way, and if you lose a debate, you don't have someone else's will forced on you.

It's just words. Calm the **** down.
 
But that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm saying. If you are going to allow women an out of an unwanted pregnancy, you have to also allow men an out. To do anything else is unfair and unequal. Why is this so hard to understand?

That's not hard to understand at all. You're only speaking from a financial obligation standpoint. It's a hell of alot more complicated than that.
 
LOL

So, naturally, your view is the 'good speech' and the other views are 'the bad speech.'

Oh, Jerry.
Are we talking about gun control, or abortion? Because everything is judged on it's own merits and flaws.
 
I'm not forcing anyone to do a damn thing. Nothing said on DebatePolitics.com is of any consequence. We are not congress, we do not make policy, we do not enforce law. If you win a debate, you don't get your way, and if you lose a debate, you don't have someone else's will forced on you.

It's just words. Calm the **** down.

did not say you were forcing anyone, I am asking a question ...and I did not refer to you
 
I'm not forcing anyone to do a damn thing. Nothing said on DebatePolitics.com is of any consequence. We are not congress, we do not make policy, we do not enforce law. If you win a debate, you don't get your way, and if you lose a debate, you don't have someone else's will forced on you.

It's just words. Calm the **** down.

i am not the one interlacing expletives in his argument.
 
i am not the one interlacing expletives in his argument.
No you and the Mod are injecting lies into your arguments.

Speaking of which, where did he go? Maybe he's actually reading Roe and discovering that slavery is not in there.
 
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