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Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    Votes: 3 3.4%

  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    Votes: 44 49.4%

  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    Votes: 18 20.2%

  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    Votes: 19 21.3%

  • I Don't Know.

    Votes: 5 5.6%
  • Total voters
    89
Cephus said:
She can decide whether she wants to keep or abort, it's 100% her choice, although to be honest, she's kind of an idiot if she's out having sex with men that she's not committed to, just like any man who is just sleeping around is. I really would rather idiots not breed. However, it's her body, her decision. Likewise, the man ought to have the right to decide if he's going to be financially responsible for the baby, should she decide to have it. Right now, she has all the rights, he has none whatsoever.

Equality my ass.
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Yes, I realize that. I just couldn't figure out what the argument was that the poster was trying to make, if any at all.
 
Bodhisattva said:
For years I posted this argument and for years I was all alone getting screamed at and called names by posters here at DP. Times have certainly changed recently and I have no idea why, but it is good to see.
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But if both engage consequentially and the agreed upon from of birth control fail why should the women be reduced to choosing between abortion or the enormous financial burden of raising a child alone?
 
Bodhisattva said:
For years I posted this argument and for years I was all alone getting screamed at and called names by posters here at DP. Times have certainly changed recently and I have no idea why, but it is good to see.
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Yeah, it's something I've said for a long time too. I never get where people who proclaim they are for gender equality would be for something so utterly unequal as to say the woman has a choice but the man does not.
 
lizzie said:
No, but that might be a good idea, since I'm apparently not on the same wavelength as some of the posters here. :)
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Like a lot of people on here..you imagine things..
 
opendebate said:
But if both engage consequentially and the agreed upon from of birth control fail why should the women be reduced to choosing between abortion or the enormous financial burden of raising a child alone?
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Why should the man be forced to pay for 18 years for a child he neither wanted, nor agreed to. Consenting to sex is not the same as consenting to reproduction.
 
lizzie said:
It's still her choice to do what she wants about the baby, and I am assuming from your question that she wants to abort the baby. If the man doesn't want her to have it, then this would not be an issue in the first place.
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No, I was not implying that would be her choice. What if she does not want the baby but feels abortion is immoral and that abandoning the child to adoption is immoral?
 
opendebate said:
No, I was not implying that would be her choice. What if she does not want the baby but feels abortion is immoral and that abandoning the child to adoption is immoral?
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The she has to decide what to do. As I said, it's entirely her choice.

edit: if she's that moralistic regarding having babies and being pregnant, it's not very likely that she is going to be getting pregnant in the first place, unless she's either stupid, or negligent with her own body.
 
Cephus said:
Why should the man be forced to pay for 18 years for a child he neither wanted, nor agreed to. Consenting to sex is not the same as consenting to reproduction.
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it certainly is the same to consenting to the possibility of pregnancy. The way men look at this is totally skewed because they do not get pregnant. The man is responsble for taking every precaution for making certain that those swimmers don't make it if he does not keep them in wraps than he is consenting to any obligations that result form sex.
 
anonymous polls suck

I believe if there is a pregnancy, and the man offers to pay for the abortion, the woman can reject the offer but he is then relieved of any financial duties. There should be strict equality in this area.
 
opendebate said:
it certainly is the same to consenting to the possibility of pregnancy. The way men look at this is totally skewed because they do not get pregnant. The man is responsble for taking every precaution for making certain that those swimmers don't make it if he does not keep them in wraps than he is consenting to any obligations that result form sex.
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Then if that's true for the man, why isn't it true for the woman? Why does she get an out and the man doesn't? Come on... equality? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
 
opendebate said:
it certainly is the same to consenting to the possibility of pregnancy. The way men look at this is totally skewed because they do not get pregnant. The man is responsble for taking every precaution for making certain that those swimmers don't make it if he does not keep them in wraps than he is consenting to any obligations that result form sex.
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If birth were not a choice and resulted from sex even a majority of the time, you may have a point. As it is, you don't.
Birth is now a choice.
The man should have an effective right of choice also.
 
lizzie said:
The she has to decide what to do. As I said, it's entirely her choice.

edit: if she's that moralistic regarding having babies and being pregnant, it's not very likely that she is going to be getting pregnant in the first place, unless she's either stupid, or negligent with her own body.
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That really not fair to all parties and it is inaccurate. It is also rife with judgement and assumptions about people who get pregnant despite their use of all available precautions. If a man and women consent to sex, both are responsible for birth control. If both don't practice birth control then both are responsible for the outcome.
 
Since when does a man abort a child? WTF?
 
opendebate said:
That really not fair to all parties and it is inaccurate. It is also rife with judgement and assumptions about people who get pregnant despite their use of all available precautions. If a man and women consent to sex, both are responsible for birth control. If both don't practice birth control then both are responsible for the outcome.
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It's her body which will be adversely affected. It's her body to choose whether or not to give birth or abort. Since it is she who has the choices, it is she who needs to insure that her body is protected, if she doesn't want to deal with either a baby, or an abortion. If she's not responsible enough to protect her own body, then she's really not responsible enough to be having sex in a day and age where birth control is widely available, and people have access to information concerning sex, pregnancy, and prevention. With freedom to choose, comes responsibility to have safe sex, and to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
 
I would be very curious to find out how many people here supporting a mans right to leave the decision to the woman and allow themselves to "opt out" also oppose abortion. If you allow yourself to walk away but you oppose abortion then you are walking away from a responsibility you are imposing on her.
 
opendebate said:
I would be very curious to find out how many people here supporting a mans right to leave the decision to the woman and allow themselves to "opt out" also oppose abortion. If you allow yourself to walk away but you oppose abortion then you are walking away from a responsibility you are imposing on her.
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I am very pro-choice, and I am imposing nothing on anyone. You either act responsibly, or you don't. When I was of the age that I decided to become sexually active, I wasn't stupid enough to think that I didn't need to protect myself from unwanted pregnancy. I went to the local PPH office and got started on the pill. It doesn't take a genius to understand what the consequences of unprotected sex are.
 
Cephus said:
Then if that's true for the man, why isn't it true for the woman? Why does she get an out and the man doesn't? Come on... equality? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
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The woman is responsible also. Where did I say she wasn't? Both should be.
 
lizzie said:
If she's not responsible enough to protect her own body, then she's really not responsible enough to be having sex in a day and age where birth control is widely available, and people have access to information concerning sex, pregnancy, and prevention. With freedom to choose, comes responsibility to have safe sex, and to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
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You are assuming that the ONLY way a woman can become pregnant is if she is irresponsible. You are wrong here.
 
lizzie said:
I am very pro-choice, and I am imposing nothing on anyone. You either act responsibly, or you don't. When I was of the age that I decided to become sexually active, I wasn't stupid enough to think that I didn't need to protect myself from unwanted pregnancy. I went to the local PPH office and got started on the pill. It doesn't take a genius to understand what the consequences of unprotected sex are.
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You really oversimplify the issue.
 
opendebate said:
You really oversimplify the issue.
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No, I really don't. It is a simple issue. Have sex, protect yourself, or take the chance on getting pregnant. This is junior high school stuff here, not rocket science.
 
Cephus said:
Why should the man be forced to pay for 18 years for a child he neither wanted, nor agreed to. Consenting to sex is not the same as consenting to reproduction.
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Because someone has to pay and there is no reason it should be me. Or are you advocating the government and/or the man killing the child upon birth?
 
opendebate said:
I would be very curious to find out how many people here supporting a mans right to leave the decision to the woman and allow themselves to "opt out" also oppose abortion. If you allow yourself to walk away but you oppose abortion then you are walking away from a responsibility you are imposing on her.
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I oppose abortion in principle and want it restricted but it is legal without limits federally. And as long as it is legal without restrictions, men should have the option to abort their financial responsibility which would accomplish the equivalent to a woman aborting the physical pregnancy.
 
opendebate said:
You are assuming that the ONLY way a woman can become pregnant is if she is irresponsible. You are wrong here.
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There are exceptions to every rule, but the rule is, aside from rape and/or incest with a young girl, prevention is pretty easy, and is widely available to the general public.
 
TurtleDude said:
anonymous polls suck

I believe if there is a pregnancy, and the man offers to pay for the abortion, the woman can reject the offer but he is then relieved of any financial duties. There should be strict equality in this area.
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That is as false as it gets. The woman has as much "financial responsibility" as the man after birth.

Explain to me why I should have to pay for THEIR child - since that is your claim UNLESS you advocate killing the child if abandoned by both. Why do you claim I should have to pay for their child? Explain that to me.
 
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