View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, because when the woman "opts out" as you so eloquently put it, she doesn't leave the man to raise the child without her input. Do you see the difference here? It isn't about the woman or the man. It's about the CHILD.

    Wrong. If it was about the child we wouldn't have legalized abortion in the first place. If it was about the child we wouldn't allow no-fault divorce. Women demand that men subordinate their interests to the interests of having and supporting a child, but are unwilling to legally tie themselves with the same restrictions. What you are proposing is the equivalent of criminalizing abortion but then legalizing male abandonment of the mother.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes. The point is simply that we already allow women the ability to opt out of the charge of providing parenting - and so men deserve the same chance. Equal treatment regardless of gender.
    A difference is that an abortion doesn't leave a child stuck without financial support of its parents. That is what some here are proposing; which will never fly in the courts since the court views the needs of the child to be paramount above the desires of the father.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I agree what that. I am not saying he is innocent. The op question was about whether or not a man should have the right to choose. Women are the only ones who have that right. Their decision is the sole seat of the power in this circumstance. If she wants to have the baby, she can choose to do so, with our without his consent. If she chooses to abort, she can do so, with or without his consent. The question is, in a circumstance where she insists on having the baby, against his wishes, does he, or should he, have any rights? According to your logic, and that of a few other posters, the man has zero rights, although he shares half the responsibility, which is solely dependent upon the whims of the woman.
    That is not anyone's fault and is out of our control. That is biology that decided the woman carries the child in her body, and not the man. She is the one who can even die during childbirth (although rare today in our country). That is why the decision rests with the female. Fair? No, but a lot of things in life are not fair. This is why the man has to be extra careful where he puts his penis. The woman he puts his penis in might not be a very nice person.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wrong. If it was about the child we wouldn't have legalized abortion in the first place. If it was about the child we wouldn't allow no-fault divorce. Women demand that men subordinate their interests to the interests of having and supporting a child, but are unwilling to legally tie themselves with the same restrictions. What you are proposing is the equivalent of criminalizing abortion but then legalizing male abandonment of the mother.
    I'm not proposing anything cpwill. That's just the way it is.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Just as women get the chance to walk away. Women should not have the right to trap men into parenting if they do not wish to, but demand that same privilege for themselves.
    Abortion is a right protected by the Constitution.

    Abandoning your child is not.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    There, now this is my LAST post to this thread for tonight. It's annoying and I'm just going to ignore you all now. No offense.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    By what authority should men be able to "opt out" of supporting their own children?
    By what authority? What kind of question is that?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The same for the man. They should protect their sperm as well. This is not a her fault/his fault issue. This is TWO people who, knowing full well the risks, both decided to take the risk, and now both are responsible.

    That's nice that you got on the pill. Not all children are so self aware, neither are a lot of adults apparently.

    I've agreed many times in the thread that the fact that a woman can decide to abort the child is certainly not always fair to the man involved, but perhaps he should get to know the woman he sleeps with first? Make sure that's the woman he can trust?
    Taking your last statement first; perhaps SHE should get to know the man better before SHE allows him to have sex with her?

    Lizzie is right, and your own comments support this...a woman lives in her own body and (unless raped) is absolutely sovereign over it. That means SHE has the primary duty of care for it.

    A man does not consider his sperm as having any special significance. You'd be surprised how much we intentionally waste in any given month even without women involved.

    No one is arguing "fault." We are arguing responsibility. When a woman gets pregnant, if she TRULY believes both share responsibility then she would automatically take that into account before unilaterally deciding to have a child. If she does not wish the responsibility of having a child, no one (pro-choice) argues with her right of opting to abort. So, if HE does not wish the responsibility of raising a child why does she still get to decide for both?

    You keep arguing that his unwillingness to "accept responsibility" without any free choice in the matter somehow makes the man unworthy; as if he really has ANY say in your unilateral decision. Clearly he does not. Equally clearly you would prefer to force lifelong obligations to a child and lifelong connections to you onto him wholly against his will. Just how does that typically work out in the real world for all concerned? Not very well from all reports.

    If you are pro-life then the greater responsibility is still on the woman. She has moral objections to abortion, so she has the absolute responsibility to ensure all steps are taken to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. She cannot blame the man because nothing can happen without her willing agreement; NOTHING. So I repeat, she should make sure it's a man SHE can trust before taking that step. Hmmm?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wrong. If it was about the child we wouldn't have legalized abortion in the first place. If it was about the child we wouldn't allow no-fault divorce. Women demand that men subordinate their interests to the interests of having and supporting a child, but are unwilling to legally tie themselves with the same restrictions. What you are proposing is the equivalent of criminalizing abortion but then legalizing male abandonment of the mother.
    Of course we would have legalized abortion since children aren't being aborted. That would be murder.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    By what authority? What kind of question is that?
    Apparently one which you cannot answer.

    The courts don't allow a man to just abandon his child. If he tries, he is considered a "deadbeat dad" and faces back child support, fines, and even jail.

    So by what authority are men going to be allowed to "opt out" of supporting their own children?

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