View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    The thought of forcing a women to get an abortion disgusts me.

    I think abortion should be restricted, and I don't think a man should be able to run away from his responsibilities. But I do agree its kind of hypocritical to have free abortions for females, but males are obligated to support the child.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    The thought of forcing a women to get an abortion disgusts me.

    I think abortion should be restricted, and I don't think a man should be able to run away from his responsibilities. But I do agree its kind of hypocritical to have free abortions for females, but males are obligated to support the child.
    Not a fan of the abortion myself, but I don't think they are free.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How many people are in the world does not change the nature of the decision when an individual makes it. There could be 2 or 2 billion and pregnancy is still a known result of sex. It's a risk you accept when you have sex.
    But so what? I mean really, so what? Voluntarily "taking a risk" is not then consenting to suffering consequences if that suffering can be medically eliminated. A snow skier breaks in leg and therefore he should not seek any medical treatment to "bear the consequences of the risks he voluntarily took?" That's not a logical conclusion.

    You are driving your car and some diversion causes you to not see a red light, for which you are seriously injured. YOU know tens of thousands of people DIE in car accidents and hundreds of thousands injured. YOU TOOK THE RISK! And it was YOUR FAULT too. Are you really claiming you are going to tell the EMT's - "no I took the risk when I got in the car and it was my fault too. Just leave me here bleeding and with broken bones."

    Under you logic, NO SOLDIER should ever receive medical care for battle wounds UNLESS he was involuntarily drafted.

    Skydiving is "accepting a risk" of all sorts of injuries, so is eating regularly at McDonalds, virtually ANY sporting activity, certainly riding a motorcycle or even driving a car.

    I don't read ANYONE claiming doctors and hospitals should refuse services to injuries and illnesses caused by a person "taking a risk," nor anyone declaring if a person is injured from taking a risk the person is evil if they go to a doctor to have the injury or illness medically eliminated.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Not a fan of the abortion myself, but I don't think they are free.
    I didn't mean free in that way. I meant free of requirements.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I didn't mean free in that way. I meant free of requirements.
    I think the biggest problem here is social. People are picking the wrong partners, or they don't the person as well as they think they do.

    Perhaps people should get to know one another better before "doing the deed." I see that if two people could just discuss certain situations like adults beforehand, it would avoid a lot of complications later on because accidents DO happen even if you are being careful.

    Even though my contract idea I talked about earlier wouldn't hold up in court, I still think it's a good idea for the two parties involved to get such things out in the open before having sex.

    If a man doesn't want to be a father, even if it's an accidental pregnancy, then he should let the woman know that immediately. He should tell her that if the condom tears or the BC fails, he has no intentions of being responsible for any resulting child. That's the only fair way to approach this as far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    But so what? I mean really, so what? Voluntarily "taking a risk" is not then consenting to suffering consequences if that suffering can be medically eliminated.
    That someone would think it's suffering, is the problem. A person who thinks that way is wrong for thinking that way. It is unethical to turn your back on your child.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Under you logic, NO SOLDIER should ever receive medical care for battle wounds UNLESS he was involuntarily drafted.
    While pregnancy is not an injury, but the point and purpose of the reproductive system, a soldier accepts personal bodily harm as an known risk before signing the enlistment contract.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    But so what? I mean really, so what? Voluntarily "taking a risk" is not then consenting to suffering consequences if that suffering can be medically eliminated. A snow skier breaks in leg and therefore he should not seek any medical treatment to "bear the consequences of the risks he voluntarily took?" That's not a logical conclusion.

    You are driving your car and some diversion causes you to not see a red light, for which you are seriously injured. YOU know tens of thousands of people DIE in car accidents and hundreds of thousands injured. YOU TOOK THE RISK! And it was YOUR FAULT too. Are you really claiming you are going to tell the EMT's - "no I took the risk when I got in the car and it was my fault too. Just leave me here bleeding and with broken bones."

    Under you logic, NO SOLDIER should ever receive medical care for battle wounds UNLESS he was involuntarily drafted.

    Skydiving is "accepting a risk" of all sorts of injuries, so is eating regularly at McDonalds, virtually ANY sporting activity, certainly riding a motorcycle or even driving a car.

    I don't read ANYONE claiming doctors and hospitals should refuse services to injuries and illnesses caused by a person "taking a risk," nor anyone declaring if a person is injured from taking a risk the person is evil if they go to a doctor to have the injury or illness medically eliminated.
    An unborn child is not an injury or a disease but a natural occurrence when you have sex.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post

    If she has the absolute right to opt-out of keeping a baby, then the male should also have the right. Since most agree that he cannot force her to abort since it is her body and he was just a short-term "visitor," then the law should allow him to act as if HE legally aborted by opting out of all personal and financial responsibility. That is a rationally equitable solution, rightly dismissing "guilting" or "public policy" claims.
    CA...sorry, I sliced out the last paragraph of your post, but I want to address the above only. There wasn't much to disagree with the other portion of your post.

    Obviously...the above are "should have" situations. And I suggest that even if there was a law created in which the man could "legally abort by opting out" there are issues that would prevail if such a law was enacted, which might render it only a partial solution.

    Unless my thinking is way off...and it's entirely possible....however:

    Such an opt-out law would "still" have to hinge on the woman agreeing to have an abortion or taking total financial responsibility, at some level.

    Viability Period...

    If the woman agreed on having an abortion...then opting out period for the man would have to be done before the viability period of a fetus. It would be necessary to remaining in compliance with Roe v. Wade.

    Also I think the following would foil this law from being fully enforceable...and why a woman would have to agree to take total financial and legal responsibility.

    Against a Woman's religious beliefs or personal moral beliefs...

    The most obvious situation would be that a woman is against having an abortion and also at the same time not financially able to manage expenses for prenatal through 18 years of age. "In addition"...she could be against going through gestation and delivery only to give up the child for adoption.

    Related to viability period...It's probably rare, but I have read where some woman don't know they're pregnant..until 2nd trimester and up.

    And some women wouldn't agree to an abortion after 12 weeks.

    I'm sure there are other situations, which I haven't given consideration.

    Just food for thought, CA. If I'm way off base, please let your thoughts be known...or other posters.

    I know men don't want to hear it, but the reality is that "biology" does play a major role in a woman's unilateral ability to decide the fate of a conception. And given that...also hold a man mutually responsible (legally and financially) if she chooses not to abort...despite the man's opposition to being an active parent and financially obligated.

    In most cases...at least today...

    There is no legal recourse for a man in which he can force a woman to abort.

    There is no legal recourse for a man to force a woman to give birth.

    An Opt-Out law...might work for some...

    But......

    Thanks. This is a really good thought provoking thread.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Yes, a man has a right to abort any baby he is carrying in his womb .

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Guys, you are just as responsible for a pregnancy as the woman. If you willingly had sexual intercourse, that is a risk you take. This has been a known fact since LONG before there was ever legalized abortions. It is simple and basic biology.

    Let me put this for you guys more simple, as if I was discussing this with a child. When two people have sex together, sometimes they can make a baby, that is why you should always protect yourself by using a condom plus birth control and you are doubly protected if you really don't want to make any babies. If you fail to take these simple precautions, you will more than likely end up making a baby because when your sperm enters a female's vagina, it fertilizes the egg and makes a baby grow. Simple right?

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