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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    EVERY PERSON who said the man should be relieved of all responsibility if he wanted her to abort but didn't is declaring that children are absolute nothing whatsoever for which there is total indifferent to whether the child starves to death or not. To those who gave that answer, it is just a fight between the woman and the man for which the child means exactly nothing to them.

    Once again, I point out - now maybe the 100th time - for most people the abortion debate has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do about the child - born or unborn - whatsoever. The child is exactly NOTHING to them. Rather, it is a fight over power - whether the man has power over the woman or not.

    As for who takes care of the child then? Well, on that, most members of the forum become 100% socialists claiming that is the government's job and that anyone can just dump their child on society anytime they want to.

    My own view is that NEITHER parent can ever be "relieved" of responsibility towards a child they create. EVER. But I realize making the child the central issue is a repulsive concept to most people.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If a man makes his "decision plan" and "does not wish to have a child," he needs to put a damned sock on it. If he's going to lay there and complain . . . whine that he doesn't feel as good . . . believe!!! a woman who says she's protected . . . tell a woman he's not capable of fathering a child . . . He gets exactly what he's earned: 18 years of child support payments and help with college.
    You got that right! SOMEONE IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE KID HE AND SHE MADE! And it sure as hell shouldn't be you and I.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    So why do you think that would be?
    There are plenty of reasons. Ignorance. Religion. Embarrassment. I'm sure you can think of others.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    The mother will not be a quick ejaculation of self-satisfaction..
    She was quick enough to open her legs. These things don't occur via osmosis.

    Once she is pregnant..she has 2 choices...If she chooses to keep it, our social services will make sure she has everything she wants..

    We did have something called the ''child support agency'' whose sole purpose was to hunt down errant fathers..it failed!!
    I think you've wandered off the beaten track somewhat. You're far from a 'realist' since you believe men are all drunken opportunists. Your 'love' of men evidently compels you to believe such, again, since you believe there are no exceptions.

    I've stated for the record that the father shouldn't disavow himself of responsibility. You're attempting to degrade the issue with a piss poor 'men are evil' rant. You can look elsewhere for your psychological crutch.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And I love you right back.

    Women lie. Women are nesters. They often, even subconsciously, want children with the man they love. "I'm on birth control." Don't believe it. Don't believe she's taking her medication correctly. The way the laws are now (and they're not going to change the way some in the post would like to see them change any time soon), the burden is on the one who doesn't want children. Don't want kids? Use protection. Yeah, sometimes it fails. But not as often as whiney men and women would lead us to believe.

    I think guys have got to remember something. The child is an innocent consequence. The child doesn't deserve to suffer because a woman was careless or a man (or woman) lied. A mother is NEVER going to be able to give away her child's right to child support. Never-ever.
    The other fact is that if the man gains child custody - adversely, because he is the superior parent, because she's a rotten parent or because she abandons the child - then SHE pays child support. We do know a couple of women who DO have to pay child support and the man has primary or full custody of the child(ren).

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    She was quick enough to open her legs. These things don't occur via osmosis.


    I think you've wandered off the beaten track somewhat. You're far from a 'realist' since you believe men are all drunken opportunists. Your 'love' of men evidently compels you to believe such, again, since you believe there are no exceptions.

    I've stated for the record that the father shouldn't disavow himself of responsibility. You're attempting to degrade the issue with a piss poor 'men are evil' rant. You can look elsewhere for your psychological crutch.
    Once again..people on this forum state things I haven't said..I am not talking about All Men..i am talking about a male/female coupling that results in a child when you don't really want to have anything to do with the mother..are you trying to tell me you'd stay around??

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Very ingenious..what happens when there's no baby??

    I'm sure the authorities are wise to this by now...come on!!
    Well authorities can't arrest her, perhaps she could be sued for false advertisement but arrested? I doubt it. Craigslist may have taken the ad down.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I personally think it's the woman's responsibility to make sure that she doesn't get pregnant since it is her body, and solely her choice when it comes to the future of the baby.
    What if she takes every precaution but gets pregnant anyway?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Once again..people on this forum state things I haven't said..I am not talking about All Men..i am talking about a male/female coupling that results in a child when you don't really want to have anything to do with the mother..are you trying to tell me you'd stay around??
    Only now do you make such a concession. Your previous posts have included a laughing emote, in response to the suggestion that most men are responsible. How else am I to interpret that?

    If I wanted nothing to do with the mother, why would I be ****ing her? Wouldn't my time and effort be better employed in pursuing someone of genuine interest? I couldn't 'stay around' as I would never have been there in the first place.

    Has this been your experience? You never met a man who wasn't a promiscuous, alcoholic philanderer? If so, then let me reassure you that your biography has been lamentably atypical.
    Last edited by NoC_T; 09-13-13 at 11:07 PM.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Also, a man should only be allowed to "opt out" of financial and parental responsibilities if his partner mutually accepts. The idea that he is somehow less obligated to provide for the child's well being is absurd.
    What though if the woman told him she had protection and did not? It happens more often then you would think. As a woman I find it deplorable but, it happens none the less.
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