View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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Thread: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    This is just a terrible idea. It will create more broken homes, fatherless unwanted children and more people collecting public assistance or MORE abortions. What an AWFUL idea.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why, then, are you dealing with it?

    I was being accused of wanting to ban abortion, an option which isn't even in your poll. I highlight 'forced abortion' as a correction to that accusation. Your thread is not about banning abortion, but some thought it was. I think you should concern yourself with them more than me because clearly they read neither your OP or your poll whereas I read both.

    Hypocrisy requires present action, that I need to be currently doing what I'm speaking against. I'm not doing what I'm speaking against, I've been abstinent for 8 years. Please report yourself to the mod team for infraction points and a thread bad for ad-homanim attacks as a demonstration of integrity.
    I WROTE the OP!

    First, addressing your last point, I don't have to quote "life aint fair;" your repeated positions about compelling a man to accept full responsibility for whatever the woman decides simply because he slept with her are clear enough.

    Second, there is a voting option to "ban abortion" although I only added it to prevent Pro-Life advocates from stating they didn't get an option to show their position. I ignore them and don't worry about their votes because this is really all about a factual reality; women have the legal right to choose, to abort or not to abort, so where does that leave the male half of the "conception pair?"

    Third, I'm dealing with it as a hypothetical because it has always been at the back of my mind regarding my Pro-Choice stance, and the incident I mention in the OP brought it up as an idea for discussion in our forum.

    Finally, there have been no "ad hominem attacks." If you are referring to the "hypocrisy" comment please recall that you opened up the issue by stating your prior history in the thread. It is not "ad hominem" to point this out.
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; 09-16-13 at 08:52 PM.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Women *choose* to have a uterus?
    It was late. It was supposed to be "does not choose"
    If a had a choice I don't know that I would have chosen that one
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    at least he was a stand-up guy and did the right thing by the child.
    Absolutely, but still, that is one awful human being the kid has as a mother. That is the kind of stuff that makes me hate people. Then again, this whole topic revolves around some pretty awful people. You got the I don't want to deal with this **** women that abort the kid and on the other side you got the I don't want to deal with this **** douchebag fathers. Some real winners for sure.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I WROTE the OP!
    Are you just realizing this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    First, adressing your last point, I don't have to quote "life aint fair," your repeated positions about compelling a man to accept full responsibility for whatever the woman decides simply because he slept with her are clear enough.
    That's not a "life ain't fair" position, that's a "you made your bed" position.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Second, there is a voting option to "ban abortion" although I only added it to prevent Pro-Life advocates from stating they didn't get an option to show their position. I ignore them and don't worry about their votes because this is really all about a factual reality; women have the legal right to choose, to abort or not to abort, so where does that leave the male half of the "conception pair?"
    There is no "ban abortion" option. There's an "oppose abortion" option which does not mean you want it banned, only that you object ideally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I'm dealing with it as a hypothetical....
    But you are dealing with it

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Finally, there have been no "ad hominem attacks." If you are referring to the "hypocrisy" comment please recall that you opened up the issue by stating your prior history in the thread. It is not "ad hominem" to point this out.
    Calling me a hypocrite is a personal attack, yes.
    Last edited by Jerry; 09-16-13 at 08:54 PM.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're correct, but this thread is about "have his baby aborted" not "have an abortion". Two different things.
    Woman do not have the right to have their baby aborted if it's in someone else's body

    Neither do men
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's not a "life ain't fair" position, that's a "you made your bed" position.
    A distinction without a difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Calling me a hypocrite is a personal attack, yes.
    I've made myself perfectly clear and it requires no further explanation. I've also intentionally ignored those parts of your response geared toward luring me into a personal attack. Nor do I intend to argue semantics with you. However, if you feel personally insulted by any opinion I've expressed I offer my apologies.

    I would like to point out that when the source of a thesis explains what his purpose was and why he chose the methodology he used to do so, one might try to accept it and move on. That, of course, remains entirely up to you.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Woman do not have the right to have their baby aborted if it's in someone else's body

    Neither do men
    The very first word of the thread title is "should", which in this context is an auxiliary function to express what is probable, not what is.

    What you're doing here is stating what is. That men do not currently have the right to have their child aborted from someone else's body is the very premise of the question OP asks. It isn't clear why you're restating the premise of this thread as though it's a point.

    I swear to God people on this forum don't know how to read.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The very first word of the thread title is "should", which in this context is an auxiliary function to express what is probable, not what is.

    What you're doing here is stating what is. That men do not currently have the right to have their child aborted from someone else's body is the very premise of the question OP asks. It isn't clear why you're restating the premise of this thread as though it's a point.

    I swear to God people on this forum don't know how to read.
    SO change "do" to "should"
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    A distinction without a difference.
    The difference is that one is fair and one is not because one was chosen and one was not. If you were born with a handicap that's a "life ain't fair" situation because you had no choice in the matter. With pregnancy you consented to the risk when you consented to sex, you had a choice, some degree of control, and having made your choice it manifests a consequence you knew about before hand; "you made your bed".

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I've made myself perfectly clear and it requires no further explanation. I've also intentionally ignored those parts of your response geared toward luring me into a personal attack. Nor do I intend to argue semantics with you. However, if you feel personally insulted by any opinion I've expressed I offer my apologies.

    I would like to point out that when the source of a thesis explains what his purpose was and why he chose the methodology he used to do so, one might try to accept it and move on. That, of course, remains entirely up to you.
    In the abortion forum, we move only in circles.

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