View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

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Thread: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Nothing like waiting until you need him.
    true. but it's still kind of a crappy thing to do. I'm 100% sure this guy would have liked to have been a part of his daughter's life for those first 18 years.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    true. but it's still kind of a crappy thing to do. I'm 100% sure this guy would have liked to have been a part of his daughter's life for those first 18 years.
    You can always tell a scumbag by their actions and that woman is a first class scumbag. Yeah, don't bother telling the guy he has a daughter until you want something from him. What could possibly be wrong with that? I ****ing hate people.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You can always tell a scumbag by their actions and that woman is a first class scumbag. Yeah, don't bother telling the guy he has a daughter until you want something from him. What could possibly be wrong with that?
    at least he was a stand-up guy and did the right thing by the child.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This thread is about forcing her to have an abortion, not carry to term.
    This thread is about a Man's right to choose. More specifically; acknowledging that a woman has absolute control over her own body and thus the absolute right to decide whether or not to have a baby, it is really more focused on a man's right to choose NOT to take responsibility for HER unilateral decision.

    The thread title was meant to inflame interest, the actual thesis is made clear in the OP.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    This thread is about a Man's right to choose. More specifically; acknowledging that a woman has absolute control over her own body and thus the absolute right to decide whether or not to have a baby, it is really more focused on a man's right to choose NOT to take responsibility for HER unilateral decision. That is made clear in the OP.
    Your thread title says: "Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?"

    The first sentence of your OP says: "Should a man have an absolute right to have his baby aborted?"

    Opting out of responsibility is offered as an alternative to abortion.

    So, no, that was NOT made clear in your OP. In fact the exact opposite was made crystal clear in your OP. This thread is about a man having the right to have his child aborted.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Your thread title says: "Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?"

    The first sentence of your OP says: "Should a man have an absolute right to have his baby aborted?"

    Opting out of responsibility is offered as an alternative to abortion.

    So, no, that was NOT made clear in your OP. In fact the exact opposite was made crystal clear in your OP. This thread is about a man having the right to have his child aborted.
    Simply because you fail to read for full content is not a problem I need to deal with. All options were made available in order to allow members to speak their piece about each possible issue. Very few people are arguing that men should have a right to force a woman to abort, (only two actual votes reflect such a position). I am am certainly not one of them.

    Yet in response to members who support a choice to opt-out you remain focused on the "forced abortion" option. This because you seem to think that merely by engaging in sex a man has automatically bound himself to caring for any possible offspring should the woman choose to have it....something I find particularly hypocritical given your self-admissions of past history regarding this result.

    Over and over people like yourself emphasize it takes two to conceive, and then irrationally argue that only one gets to decide the ultimate outcome of life-long responsibility for both. You keep ignoring the fact that one has an opt-out regardless of how the other might feel, and your only counter is "life ain't fair." Equitability of rights would argue that BOTH should have at least the "absolute opt-out" option in some form or another.

    The male and female members on the side of allowing a male to "opt-out" of further responsibility seek to empower the woman by not only supporting her right to absolute choice but also her right to make an informed decision and then to accept full responsibility for it.
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; 09-16-13 at 08:19 PM.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Like I said. A woman does now choose to be the one with the uterus.
    Women *choose* to have a uterus?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    "The same right", not an equivalent right, but the same right, and that right is to have the child aborted.
    Men have just as much right to have an abortion as a woman does
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Simply because you fail to read for full content is not a problem I need to deal with.
    Why, then, are you dealing with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Yet in response to members who support a choice to opt-out you remain focused on the "forced abortion" option.
    I was being accused of wanting to ban abortion, an option which isn't even in your poll. I highlight 'forced abortion' as a correction to that accusation. Your thread is not about banning abortion, but some thought it was. I think you should concern yourself with them more than me because clearly they read neither your OP or your poll whereas I read both.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    This because you seem to think that merely by engaging in sex a man has automatically bound himself to caring for any possible offspring should the woman choose to have it....something I find particularly hypocritical given your self-admissions of past history regarding this result.
    Hypocrisy requires present action, that I need to be currently doing what I'm speaking against. I'm not doing what I'm speaking against, I've been abstinent for 8 years. Please report yourself to the mod team for infraction points and a thread bad for ad-homanim attacks as a demonstration of integrity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Over and over people like yourself emphasize it takes two to conceive, and then irrationally argue that only one gets to decide the ultimate outcome of life-long responsibility for both. You keep ignoring the fact that one has an opt-out regardless of how the other might feel, and your only counter is "life ain't fair." Equitability would argue that BOTH should have at least the "opt-out" option in some form or another.
    Please quote where I said "life ain't fair". I believe you're thinking of someone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    The male and female members on the side of allowing a male to "opt-out" of further responsibility seek to empower the woman by not only supporting her right to absolute choice but right to make an informed decision to accept full responsibility for it.
    No they're supporting child abuse by condoning child abandonment, a crime.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Men have just as much right to have an abortion as a woman does
    You're correct, but this thread is about "have his baby aborted" not "have an abortion". Two different things.

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