View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

    5 4.95%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I can't even begin to explain how some of the same folks here claim that abortion is unconstitutional because the word, "abortion," does not exist anywhere in the U.S. Constitution; are the same folks claiming an unborn non-person (non-person according to Jerry) is a person even though that is not found anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.
    "Person" is found allover the Constitution.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    If something is part of your body, kid, it is your business. Stop posturing.
    The ZEF is not a part of the woman's doby. We just went over this.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Not that easy nowadays to not declare the father unless she claims she was raped.
    Most women cannot even collect aid to dependent children without naming the bio father.
    And once the bio father is named most states go after him for child support.

    That is the reality of the situation.

    I am torn on the OP issue but I am a realist and I don't see the states letting bio dads have " paper abortions".

    Is it fair ...no I don't think it is fair..but I just don't see it ever becoming legal in the eyes of the state.
    And why would she want to collect aid for her dependent child if she plans to give up that child for adoption?

    Not tough at all, if she doesn't plan to keep it.

    I think it's entirely likely, although perhaps not for the reasons I think it should be. There's increasing demand, the demographic concerned has a lot of power, and the state has failed to enforce the laws we do have to positive effect.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The ZEF is not a part of the woman's doby. We just went over this.
    It certainly isn't part of a man's. If it is in and totally dependent upon a woman's body it is her business, and well you know it. You are just making noises because, ultimately, you clearly believe in slavery. Mind your own business.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And conversely if you want the baby and she doesn't, you have no say. I don't see you protesting that. So in your world men have zero reproductive rights, but all the economic burden. So turning a man into a slave is okay with you. If she tells him she's on the pill, and it's a lie, well in your world it makes no difference because he's still screwed.
    Actually men no longer are saddled with all the economic burden.
    The courts expect the women to also pay half the child support cost.

    Even if she did not lie and she is on the pill, birth control pills are not 100 percent effective and you could still be " screwed ".
    Using a condom would help decrease the chance of an accidental pregnancy and also help protect against STDs.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No, you don't. You want women to be able to make a choice without the man's input, and then foist the responsibility that comes with that choice onto the man.
    That is not accurate. The financial responsibility for raising a child is not "foisted" on the father. Under the law, both parents share that responsibility
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Actually men no longer are saddled with all the economic burden.
    The courts expect the women to also pay half the child support cost.

    Even if she did not lie and she is on the pill, birth control pills are not 100 percent effective and you could still be " screwed ".
    Using a condom would help decrease the chance of an accidental pregnancy and also help protect against STDs.
    It's obvious you never paid child support, so you don't understand what a farce that is. Using a condom, blah blah blah....doesn't change the right of a woman to have an abortion. No matter what, the pro-choice side can always find some reason to trap the man. This isn't about babies, it's about power. Abortion was started by the feminists who wanted to grab some power. This is one of the ways they got it.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That is not accurate. The financial responsibility for raising a child is not "foisted" on the father. Under the law, both parents share that responsibility
    We're all aware of what the law is. What we're debating is what it should be.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think it just comes down to this, I do not support something that makes abortion more likely, and I imagine S&M would support anything that would make the "choice" of abortion more likely.
    I agree that it would make abortion more common and / or put more strain on the adoption system.

    I agree that it would be bad policy. I would not support that change and indeed I think it is appropriate for a man to begin paying for his half of the responsibility for making a kid before birth.

    You will find no support for abortion from me, of course, but those who do support it have told me time after time that sex is not consent to conceive offspring.

    If they actually believe that, then they cannot logically agree with court-mandated child support, as the father never consented to having kids, only to having sex.

    That was my point. I think it's a good one.
    Last edited by JayDubya; 09-16-13 at 11:57 AM.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Even someone as sexualy active and irresponsable as I was can stop cold.
    Your sexual behavior is not a good model for others.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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