View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Unless she never declares a father, which is relatively easy for her to do.

    I'm not suggesting adoption as a solution. I'm just demonstrating that women have a right to give up their children, that this right is not governed by biology but rather by who claims responsibility, and that therefore there is no reason to deny that right to men.
    Not that easy nowadays to not declare the father unless she claims she was raped.
    Most women cannot even collect aid to dependent children without naming the bio father.
    And once the bio father is named most states go after him for child support.

    That is the reality of the situation.

    I am torn on the OP issue but I am a realist and I don't see the states letting bio dads have " paper abortions".

    Is it fair ...no I don't think it is fair..but I just don't see it ever becoming legal in the eyes of the state.
    Last edited by minnie616; 09-16-13 at 11:06 AM.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    First, I never argued that pregnancy was slavery; I argued that forced pregnancy was slavery, and I demonstrated this logically. The fact that you are arguing about everything except my actual case doesn't change the fact that forcing someone to gestate a baby is involuntary servitude.
    First of all I do not support banning first-term abortion.

    Secondly all you did was assert a claim without linking to any supporting source material. That means you haven't presented an argument, only an opinion. Just point out where in Roe SCOTUS struck down abortion bans based on slavery.

    And thirdly your opinion is false on it's face because no one owns the pregnant woman, so she's not a slave.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    After being non-abstinent for how many years?

    And fathering how many children?

    Yeah, you're a regular PSA for abstinence
    Even someone as sexualy active and irresponsable as I was can stop cold.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Men are free to have abortions
    Right, men are free to have their child aborted. So what's the problem?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Dodge all you like, but you said if the unborn were not a person, then he would not have been convicted of murder

    He wasn't convicted of murder. Your own argument proves that the unborn are not persons.

    You got pwned....by yourself

    But you don't have to admit that in public. I understand why you don't want to do that. It's OK.
    That would be true if he was aquitted of murder, but that didn't happen. He took a plea deal for lesser charges.

    Don't you know that a point isn't false just because a given argument fails? Have you seriously never looked at FalacyFiles.com or a similer website?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wow!!

    NO unwanted pregnancies in the last 8 years?

    Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?
    It doesn't sound idiotic at all. In fact it sounds pretty damed responsable.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Also, a man should only be allowed to "opt out" of financial and parental responsibilities if his partner mutually accepts. The idea that he is somehow less obligated to provide for the child's well being is absurd.
    Sure, like that's ever going to happen. You're obviously in the MEN HAVE ZERO RIGHTS CAMP.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Here:
    Where do you see slavory adressed in that quote?

    Hint: it isn't.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's either ok to own another person as property, or it's not. We all play by the same rules. Equality et-all.

    If owning another person is ok, then abortion is ok, and so is enslaving women.

    If owning another person is not ok, then enslaving women is not ok, but neither is abortion.

    #logic
    If something is part of your body, kid, it is your business. Stop posturing.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    And what others will point out is the distinct potential for sharp upticks in single parent households, dire poverty and generally careless behavior as a result of allowing men to simply stroll away without a consequence to be found.




    What you're proposing is a moral hazard and an economic burden. There's a variety of reasons as to why many women choose to carry to term, even in less than optimal circumstances. If you help to knock over the first domino, you necessarily share the burden for the remainder that fall afterwards.
    And conversely if you want the baby and she doesn't, you have no say. I don't see you protesting that. So in your world men have zero reproductive rights, but all the economic burden. So turning a man into a slave is okay with you. If she tells him she's on the pill, and it's a lie, well in your world it makes no difference because he's still screwed.
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