View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Just a heads up. Women had no voice when the incubator for an embryo was chosen. Talk about unfair! I'll tell you what if I could have made my X grow those little 9lb ****ers I would have. So why should a woman shoulder more responsibility for having for something she had no control over? The one place they both have equal footing and control is consenting to sex and practicing it safely. So both have an equal responsibility for saying no or using birth control on their own parts.
    And that is why you have the unilateral right to abort. And hey, guess what? That's not fair either. It's not fair that you have that right, and the man has no say.

    But hey, that's biology. It's not fair. You can't make the laws "fair" when biology itself is not fair.

    You're pro-choice, but you just used the "keep his legs shut" argument against men. You don't see the tiniest bit of hypocrisy with that?

    So you think he should be forced into servitude over your decisions, but you don't think he has any right to do that to you?

    He didn't have any control over it either. He didn't tell his sperm what to do any more than you told your ova what to do.

    Rights come with responsibilities. If you want the rights and not the responsibilities, what you're saying is that you aren't intellectually capable of understanding your own rights, and that men don't have any rights, because they should be forced to babysit women's decisions.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    And yet, it remains true. Abortion is Constitutionally legal. Since only women can get pregnant, only women can make the choice to terminate their unborn non-person.
    Good for it. What has that got to do with the price of tea in China?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Because it's HER body.
    And no one is denying HER an abortion. We're just demanding EQUAL TREATMENT FOR MEN AS WELL!

    Geez, you people can't read.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Both parents are responsible for supporting their child.
    Except the woman, who can abort it if she wants.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    And that is why you have the unilateral right to abort. And hey, guess what? That's not fair either. It's not fair that you have that right, and the man has no say
    So work on getting men the right to stop an abortion or technology that can transplant the embryo to an artificial womb then and stop supporting empowering them to abandon their responsibilities. Letting them get off free when they hold equal responsibility is not an option.

    But hey, that's biology. It's not fair. You can't make the laws "fair" when biology itself is not fair.
    We may not be able to make the laws fair when it comes to biology but get this, if he puts a condom on chances are the problem is solved. Why would we not promote that level of responsibility instead of supporting their right to dodge it.

    And don't give that life's not fair deal with it BS. We struggle to make things as fair and equitable as possible in this country.

    You're pro-choice, but you just used the "keep his legs shut" argument against men. You don't see the tiniest bit of hypocrisy with that?
    Uhhhhh, no I didn't.


    So you think he should be forced into servitude over your decisions, but you don't think he has any right to do that to you?
    If he made the choice to have sex he is just as responsible for the outcome. He knows going in that he his pants are full of little baby makers and knowing that he can get off the hook if he chooses not to take responsibility is a pretty surprising position coming from someone who promotes herself as a feminist.

    He didn't have any control over it either. He didn't tell his sperm what to do any more than you told your ova what to do.
    Yes he did have control over it. It's called a condom.

    Rights come with responsibilities. If you want the rights and not the responsibilities, what you're saying is that you aren't intellectually capable of understanding your own rights, and that men don't have any rights, because they should be forced to babysit women's decisions
    That is your interpretation of my words Ms. Limbaugh.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And no one is denying HER an abortion. We're just demanding EQUAL TREATMENT FOR MEN AS WELL!

    Geez, you people can't read.
    Men are treated equally

    Men and women can choose to have sex

    Men and women can choose to use contraception

    Men and women can have an abortion if they become pregnant

    And both mother and father are financially responsible for any children they produce
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Except the woman, who can abort it if she wants.
    Men are free to have abortions
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So work on getting men the right to stop an abortion or technology that can transplant the embryo to an artificial womb then and stop supporting empowering them to abandon their responsibilities. Letting them get off free when they hold equal responsibility is not an option.
    Uh, no.

    Where did I say that we should try to make it fair?

    A woman has an absolute right to decide under what circumstances her body is used or invaded. Period. I'm ok with that biological unfairness. I have no desire to try to force women to acquiesce their bodies to men.

    Women can "get off free" too. You don't want men to have an equivalent to the rights you have. You want rights with no responsibility, and you want men to be mandated to babysit your decisions.

    We may not be able to make the laws fair when it comes to biology but get this, if he puts a condom on chances are the problem is solved. Why would we not promote that level of responsibility instead of supporting their right to dodge it.

    And don't give that life's not fair deal with it BS. We struggle to make things as fair and equitable as possible in this country.
    Yeah, because condoms work 100% of the time, right? And making a simple mistake means he deserves to be a slave for life, right?

    Here, let me play the part of an anti-choicer for a minute: "If she didn't want a baby, she should have kept her legs shut." That's what you sound like, only you're talking about men.

    If a woman can't carry out her OWN decision, that she made HERSELF, she is the one who is irresponsible. She is the one who didn't consider her capabilities, and expected someone to do it for her because she apparently can't manage that much thinking, like a child.

    If he made the choice to have sex he is just as responsible for the outcome. He knows going in that he his pants are full of little baby makers and knowing that he can get off the hook if he chooses not to take responsibility is a pretty surprising position coming from someone who promotes herself as a feminist.
    So does the woman. So do you want to ban abortion? Or is your standard of forced servitude limited to men?

    As a feminist, I believe women are intellectually capable of making decisions, rising to the occasions they set for themselves, and do not need men to save them from themselves. Apparently you don't.

    That is your interpretation of my words Ms. Limbaugh.
    Now that is funny.

    You're the one promoting childcare as punishment for men, and I'm Ms. Limbaugh?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    The fact of the matter is that the law doesn't guarantee that everyone will get to make the same decisions.

    Some people will get to decide what color their new Porsche is going to be. Others won't. If that is unfair, it's not the law's doing.

    Similarly, some people will get to decide if they will have an abortion. Others won't. Once again, if that's unfair, it's not the law's doing.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post

    Where did I say that we should try to make it fair?
    Your whole response to mine was based on the premise that it was currently unfair to men. WTH are you talking about?

    A woman has an absolute right to decide under what circumstances her body is used or invaded. Period. I'm ok with that biological unfairness. I have no desire to try to force women to acquiesce their bodies to men.
    That is not an acquiescence. Explain that one too me. Seriously, I am not being sarcastic. Explain that.

    Women can "get off free" too. You don't want men to have an equivalent to the rights you have. You want rights with no responsibility, and you want men to be mandated to babysit your decisions.
    I want rights with equal responsibility.

    Yeah, because condoms work 100% of the time, right? And making a simple mistake means he deserves to be a slave for life, right?
    That's not the point. It is the form of birth control men have available to them and have an obligation to themselves to use.

    Here, let me play the part of an anti-choicer for a minute: "If she didn't want a baby, she should have kept her legs shut." That's what you sound like, only you're talking about men.
    If you think that's what I sound like then you are not understanding my posts. I said EQUAL responsibility. Men AND women both have an obligation to keep what they contribute to a pregnancy under control.

    So does the woman. So do you want to ban abortion? Or is your standard of forced servitude limited to men?
    I am beginning to wonder if you are serious.

    You're the one promoting childcare as punishment for men
    How exactly is it punishment for them men but taking responsibility for the women?
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