View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm saying. If you are going to allow women an out of an unwanted pregnancy, you have to also allow men an out. To do anything else is unfair and unequal. Why is this so hard to understand?
    Men have an out from an unwanted pregnancy.

    Whenever they have one, they can get an abortion
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Both parents are responsible for supporting their child.
    Is it just me or does it seem like half these people skipped health class on a really critical day?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    It isn't in the Constitution, which means it isn't a constitutional right. By admitting it isn't in the Constitution, you admit that the Supreme Court's decision was wrong.
    Your claim is only true if the U.S. Supreme Court is not granted the power to interpret the Constitution; which is ludicrous on its face.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You have no idea how utterly stupid that is. It makes about as much sense as the idiots who say that gay people have the same rights as straight people, they just have to marry people of the other gender.
    SSM bans are inherently discriminatory because they disallow marriages based on sex.

    Abortion laws are not discriminatory. Any person of either sex is free to have an abortion under the law. The law doesn't discriminate
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, if you support the proposal in the OP, then you support men having indirect control over a woman's decision.

    Like I said, the only way this would be fair is if you tell her this before the sex act occurs. Then she decide if that's a chance she is willing to take, instead of waiting until she already has her child growing inside her.
    Allowing men to have agency over their own life is "control" over a woman's decision?

    I'm sorry, but BS. And this argument works just as well in reverse: if a man wants to be a father but the woman aborts, then the woman is "controlling" the man's decision.

    That is ludicrous. People having control over their own life is not "controlling" anyone else. No one else is ENTITLED to the body or the resources of someone else. You are arguing that women -- and ONLY women -- are in fact entitled to that. That women own men.

    Ideally, everyone should tell their partner where they stand before sex happens. I always do this. But just because someone didn't, or perhaps changed their mind, doesn't mean they are entitled to squat.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Wow - you just said "we aborted two, gave one up for adoption, and then kept two children . . . and if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't have any kids at all."

    So - you don't want your children you didn't abort and wish they were never born? Why - BECAUSE OF YOUR EX WIFE?

    Charming. (sarcasm)
    And the icing on the cake is he thinks people should emulate his sexual behavior
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm saying. If you are going to allow women an out of an unwanted pregnancy, you have to also allow men an out. To do anything else is unfair and unequal. Why is this so hard to understand?
    Just a heads up. Women had no voice when the incubator for an embryo was chosen. Talk about unfair! I'll tell you what if I could have made my X grow those little 9lb ****ers I would have. So why should a woman shoulder more responsibility for something she had no control over? The one place they both have equal footing and control is consenting to sex and practicing it safely. So both have an equal responsibility for saying no or using birth control on their own parts. And if the outcome is a child since it was a 50/52 project both are responsible.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Here:

    The Constitution does not define "person" in so many words. Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment contains three references to "person." The first, in defining "citizens," speaks of "persons born or naturalized in the United States." The word also appears both in the Due Process Clause and in the Equal Protection Clause. "Person" is used in other places in the Constitution: in the listing of qualifications for Representatives and Senators, Art. I, 2, cl. 2, and 3, cl. 3; in the Apportionment Clause, Art. I, 2, cl. 3;[53] in the Migration and Importation provision, Art. I, 9, cl. 1; in the Emolument Clause, Art. I, 9, cl. 8; in the Electors provisions, Art. II, 1, cl. 2, and the superseded cl. 3; in the provision outlining qualifications for the office of President, Art. II, 1, cl. 5; in the Extradition provisions, Art. IV, 2, cl. 2, and the superseded Fugitive Slave Clause 3; and in the Fifth, Twelfth, and Twenty-second Amendments, as well as in 2 and 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. But in nearly all these instances, the use of the word is such that it has application only postnatally. None indicates, with any assurance, that it has any possible pre-natal application.[54]
    I can't even begin to explain how some of the same folks here claim that abortion is unconstitutional because the word, "abortion," does not exist anywhere in the U.S. Constitution; are the same folks claiming an unborn non-person (non-person according to Jerry) is a person even though that is not found anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You come here and claim that pregnancy is savory and demand that others prove you wrong. Do you know the name of that logical fallacy? Would you like a link to it?

    You have to first prove that pregnancy is slavery. Then your argument is addressed.
    First, I never argued that pregnancy was slavery; I argued that forced pregnancy was slavery, and I demonstrated this logically. The fact that you are arguing about everything except my actual case doesn't change the fact that forcing someone to gestate a baby is involuntary servitude.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I don't know what you are you referring to when you are talking about property rights and rights to association so I cannot answer your question.

    This is an abortion thread and I am not sure what the right to privacy regarding reproductivity has to do with your question.

    Perhaps a lawyer could answer your question better.
    Property rights is a posters' hobby horse that he wants to inject into every thread he posts in
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