View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And that was your decision to make about your body.
    I am not following you. What decision do you seem to think that I am making about her body?

    No, if you support the proposal in the OP, then you support men having indirect control over a woman's decision.
    No. She can decide based on the information that she is given. She can decide to keep it or not keep it. She has millions of ways to go about making sure that she makes the best decision for her.

    Like I said, the only way this would be fair is if you tell her this before the sex act occurs. Then she decide if that's a chance she is willing to take, instead of waiting until she already has her child growing inside her.
    Unless she is married then the assumption, 99.9% of the time, is that the man DOES NOT WANT A CHILD. How about we start with the obvious premise. Men are simple. Women make it complicated... just like you are doing now.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    weren't you paying attention? This was already covered. I said it's not in the Constitution -- I said it was a decision from the U.S.S.C., the body with the privilege of interpreting the Constitution. In that ruling, they said it's a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy.

    That decision renders the authority to allow women the right to an abortion from the Constitution.
    It isn't in the Constitution, which means it isn't a constitutional right. By admitting it isn't in the Constitution, you admit that the Supreme Court's decision was wrong.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You know what....I'm not going to complain about that one because that's the kind of thing that if you're going to do, you should be smart about it. It looks like this guy did a little research on the labels, but his final product was lacking. From the start he had or should have known that the prescription would come under close scrutiny.

    If it were me, there would have been a "car accident" where I was driving and she was wearing her seat belt. The force of the collision would have caused a miscarriage and "it was a car accident" would have white-washed 99% of my motive away. Instead of over thinking the whole thing, I probably would have looked for a target of opportunity in normal driving.

    Even if she thought it was on purpose, good luck proving it in court.
    Dodge all you like, but you said if the unborn were not a person, then he would not have been convicted of murder

    He wasn't convicted of murder. Your own argument proves that the unborn are not persons.

    You got pwned....by yourself

    But you don't have to admit that in public. I understand why you don't want to do that. It's OK.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It actually IS that simple. I know because I've been abstinent for nearly 8 years now.
    After being non-abstinent for how many years?

    And fathering how many children?

    Yeah, you're a regular PSA for abstinence
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not saying that it is fair... but women fought for, won and WANT the right to abortion, and that is good. But it is MORE unfair to force a man to pay for the woman's choice. If a woman, as the one that will be pregnant and face that difficult decision, is pro-life or not positive that she would abort... then she should not be having sex out of a secure relationship or marriage. The guy shouldn't either, really, but she is the one that will be having the baby.
    It is unreasonable to hand her more responsibility for the outcome when each have an equal role in creating that outcome. It takes sperm and and egg to make a baby you know. That's a pretty clear 50/50 hand in the creation of or prevention of a child. Both know the risks and have an equal obligation to prevent it.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Time to wake up, because I've had no unwanted pregnancies in the last 8 years. Considering my history, that's pretty damn good.
    Wow!!

    NO unwanted pregnancies in the last 8 years?

    Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You want to say that X is in a document because someone interpreted such. That's exactly how Young-Earth Creationism got started eventhough the bible itself never says how old the earth is.

    The Constitution does not address abortion. At best abortion falls under the 10th Amendment as a right not enumerated which falls to the people. Abortion is not in the Constitution, and that's why you had to reference Roe v. Wade instead of quote the Constitution directly.
    Actually, you were the one who referenced RvW long before SY did
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
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    You know... If it was that the man could opt out women wouldn't be running around having casual sex.
    Oh yes they would. You buy into that myth than men like sex more than women? Sorry, not true. They would be knockin' you guys up and leavin' you with the bill..


    The way it is now, men shouldn't be. They are and they are getting stuck with 18 years.
    So are the women. What exactly is your point?


    If it was the other way around and women said no until marriage, for instance, then there would be no unplanned or unwanted pregnancies AT ALL and I would think that this is what would satisfy all sides to this debate.
    So you suggest we take a time machine back to when exactly?


    We should not be punishing either gender for people that want to have sex with others that they do not want to have a child with. I am a hypocrite about this too... I did it. It was stupid. I was lucky and never got one pregnant though..
    No, we shouldn't be. What we should be doing is being honest with kids about sex and provide them birth control. Less sexually transmitted disease fewer unwanted pregnancies. Instead we make it dirty and bad so everyone things they need to be ashamed of wanting it. You combine needless shame with parents in denial and bam, you got yourself a little Pebbles or BamBam.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just show me where in Roe v. Wade slavery is discussed. Do you need a link to Roe? Here you go: FindLaw | Cases and Codes

    Show me. Where is slavery addressed in Roe. Where is it?
    Here:

    The Constitution does not define "person" in so many words. Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment contains three references to "person." The first, in defining "citizens," speaks of "persons born or naturalized in the United States." The word also appears both in the Due Process Clause and in the Equal Protection Clause. "Person" is used in other places in the Constitution: in the listing of qualifications for Representatives and Senators, Art. I, 2, cl. 2, and 3, cl. 3; in the Apportionment Clause, Art. I, 2, cl. 3;[53] in the Migration and Importation provision, Art. I, 9, cl. 1; in the Emolument Clause, Art. I, 9, cl. 8; in the Electors provisions, Art. II, 1, cl. 2, and the superseded cl. 3; in the provision outlining qualifications for the office of President, Art. II, 1, cl. 5; in the Extradition provisions, Art. IV, 2, cl. 2, and the superseded Fugitive Slave Clause 3; and in the Fifth, Twelfth, and Twenty-second Amendments, as well as in 2 and 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. But in nearly all these instances, the use of the word is such that it has application only postnatally. None indicates, with any assurance, that it has any possible pre-natal application.[54]
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If you don't want to have a kid, don't spread your legs. Problem solved. The second you provide an out for one side, you need to provide an out for the other. Either or both. No special treatment.
    Both parents are responsible for supporting their child.
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