View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Should a man have an absolute right to have his baby aborted?

    In the alternative, should he be granted relief from all legal responsibility if it is his clearly stated wish to abort but the woman decides not to?

    Let me preface my remarks with this disclaimer; I am Pro-Choice and I support a womanís absolute right to choose to have an abortion for several reasons, including the fact it is the woman who must endure the pregnancy to carry the child to term, and then follows the lifelong responsibility to raise and care for any child born.

    The dilemma occurs when the woman unilaterally decides to have the baby, even when the male does not wish to accept that long-term responsibility.

    In a recent news report, a young man was so desperate not to have a child that he tricked his girlfriend into taking a morning after pill. Now I do not support or condone this action, but it does bring up the thesis issue for meÖwhy does the male partner have no say in a decision to keep the baby?

    When a woman makes the unilateral decision to keep the baby this then compels lifelong legal and emotional obligations on the part of the unwilling father. This creates resentment and recriminations in both parties. By attempting to force the man to marry and/or support both her and the child this only serves to create a negative environment for all concerned, especially for any child to grow up in.

    Since we now have a simple method of aborting in the early stages of the first trimester, without needing an invasive surgery, why should the absolute choice to keep the baby reside with the mother? If it does, why canít the man be legally relieved of further responsibility to both parties?

    I have offered several voting options, please pick and then explain what do you think? I am especially interested in arguments for why the woman has the sole right to keep the child while making the man permanently responsible.


    We, as a society, are highly hypocritical about this stuff. We tell the woman that she gets to choose whether to bear the consequences of her choice to have un- or inadequately-protected sex, both pregnancy and the financial part... no baby, no support costs. We tell her NOBODY can tell her she has to let that baby grow in her body if she does not want it, including the father. At the same time we tell the man "hey, you went there, so you're on the hook buddy! Should'a kept it in your pants if you didn't want to pay!"

    Incredibly hypocritical double standard.

    I understand the urge to equalize things by allowing the man to "abort his financial responsibility" during the term when abortion is allowed, if he doesn't want the baby and she decides to keep it. I can see viewing this as fair, and in a sense it is.

    However I have some reservations about it...

    1. More children growing up in poverty.
    2. More moms on gov't assistance, putting more strain on a system already generating over a trillion debt per year.
    3. More abortions as many young men will opt out of fiscal responsibility, and many young women will decide going it alone isn't worth it.

    So I dunno...

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ok, I can accept that, since you of the liberal mind, why does not the left respect right to property and right to association?
    I don't know what you are you referring to when you are talking about property rights and rights to association so I cannot answer your question.

    This is an abortion thread and I am not sure what the right to privacy regarding reproductivity has to do with your question.

    Perhaps a lawyer could answer your question better.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I don't know what you are you referring to when you are talking about property rights and rights to association so I cannot answer your question.

    This is an abortion thread and I am not sure what the right to privacy regarding reproductivity has to do with your question.

    Perhaps a lawyer could answer your question better.
    well please bare with me, the left supports the rights of woman, and they have stated that many times, ..can you answer for me, why do they not support rights which are written in the constitution and rights which the court has stated exist.......

    because I have never met a person from the left who supports property right or right to association.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Incredibly hypocritical double standard.

    However I have some reservations about it...

    1. More children growing up in poverty.
    2. More moms on gov't assistance, putting more strain on a system already generating over a trillion debt per year.
    3. More abortions as many young men will opt out of fiscal responsibility, and many young women will decide going it alone isn't worth it.

    So I dunno...
    We already have 80% of teen moms not having their babies within a marriage, and less than half of the bio dads being financially involved at all. A large percentage of the dads don't even pay an average of $800 yearly in support. I doubt that there would be a significant change in the poverty statistics in either direction.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    We already have 80% of teen moms not having their babies within a marriage, and less than half of the bio dads being financially involved at all. A large percentage of the dads don't even pay an average of $800 yearly in support. I doubt that there would be a significant change in the poverty statistics in either direction.

    Okay. It's not just teens though, I don't have stats but I'm pretty sure we're talking about a lot of 20-somethings here too. Probably more 20s than teens would be my guess.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay. It's not just teens though, I don't have stats but I'm pretty sure we're talking about a lot of 20-somethings here too. Probably more 20s than teens would be my guess.
    Yeah, I was mostly just addressing the poverty concerns. The teenage moms are the ones who statistically are much more likely to be poor and on welfare.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well please bare with me, the left supports the rights of woman, and they have stated that many times, ..can you answer for me, why do they not support rights which are written in the constitution and rights which the court has stated exist.......

    because I have never met a person from the left who supports property right or right to association.
    Well please start a thread about property right and right of association.

    Please include what property rights you think are being infringed upon
    And what you mean by right of association.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yeah, I was mostly just addressing the poverty concerns. The teenage moms are the ones who statistically are much more likely to be poor and on welfare.


    Frankly, there's a lot of legal demotivation for men to get involved with a woman at all, let alone get married or have children. All legal advantages run straight to the woman these days, and if it wasn't for biological and emotional imperatives our birthrate would probably be far lower than it already is.

    I really have no idea why any man gets married these days, unless it is out of strong religious beliefs or traditional sentiments. It's a good way to lose everything you have when the divorce happens... as is as likely as not... and to lose a lot of contact with your kids while still paying for them.

    Some equalization is probably in order, but I don't want to see the children suffer as a result of it.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Attached does not mean a part of. When you attach a trailer to your car, the trailer does not become part of your car. The trailer even has it's own license plate and registration. A magazine is not a part of a rifle, it's an accessory like a costom grip or scope. Likewise a woman pregnant with a male baby is not a hermaphrodite.


    Words mean things. Words matter.

    That was covered in my link. Didn't you read it?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes you did, post 607, you said your authority for abortion comes from the Constitution, and when asked to cite that part of the constitution you referenced Roe v. Wade, not the Constitution.
    You're still lying. Saying the authority "comes from" the Constitution is not the same as saying "it's in" the Constitution. I never said "it's in" it. Again, whether you accept it or not, the U.S.S.C. interprets the U.S. Constitution and they decided that Roe v. Wade is Constitutional. You can complain all you want, but that's how it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And that's a wrong answer. The Constitution does not give you the authority to have an abortion.
    Are you saying that abortion is unconstitutional??

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