View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ok you saying it a right then?

    if you have a right to privacy , as you say.

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    There only are certain zones that have the right to privacy.
    One of those zones regards reproductivity.
    Which is right of a woman/ couple to chose when or if they wish to have children, how many they want and qhow to space to them.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    There only are certain zones that have the right to privacy.
    One of those zones regards reproductivity.
    Which is right of a woman/ couple to chose when or if they wish to have children, how many they want and qhow to space to them.
    ok, I can accept that, since you of the liberal mind, why does not the left respect right to property and right to association?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Regarding your poll choice of "no, only the woman has this right but the man remains responsible." If the woman gets an abortion, then the man has no responsibility. Do you see what I'm saying? That choice doesn't really make sense the way you have it worded.
    I'm confused. There are two poll "No" answers.

    One states that a man cannot require a woman to abort, but he can opt out of responsibility for her choice to keep a baby.

    The other states that things remain as is: essentially she gets to choose and if she chooses to keep the baby he has no option but to accept (at least) financial responsibility.

    The second "NO" keeps the status quo. The first "NO" allows a man to opt-out. Does that clear it up?
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I'm confused. There are two poll "No" answers.

    One states that a man cannot require a woman to abort, but he can opt out of responsibility for her choice to keep a baby.

    The other states that things remain as is: essentially she gets to choose and if she chooses to keep the baby he has no option but to accept (at least) financial responsibility.

    The second "NO" keeps the status quo. The first "NO" allows a ma to opt-out. Does that clear it up?
    If the woman gets an abortion, how is the man still responsible? What exactly is he still responsible for if the woman gets an abortion? That's how it's worded to read anyway. "Only the woman has this right (to abort) and he remains responsible."


    Sorry, I'm just nitpicking I guess.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We put 2 up for adoption. That's 2 aborted, 2 adopted, 2 kept (and 1 miscarried but I didn't mention that. The X still celebrates what would have been his birthday).


    Not because of her, no. I knew of a better way to manage things and didn't do it. I don't think "I wish they were never born". I think "I should have don things differently".
    By having a vasectomy at age 16 = not having your children.

    You were called on that bull**** statement and now you're backpedaling.

    Just - ick. I really hope that it came out all wrong when you wrote that and you actually love your kids to bits and pieces You know - at least Mac loves his kids and didn't say 'oh, we have five, and I wish I had a vasectomy instead of my kids.'

    But never mind - future consideration: don't ever say anything that goes "I never wanted all the many I fathered and regretted the two I did keep" in any discussion on anything - because that's as low as someone can get as a parent, especially while trying to claim that 'life is worth something' and so on.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If the woman gets an abortion, how is the man still responsible? What exactly is he still responsible for if the woman gets an abortion? That's how it's worded to read anyway. "Only the woman has this right (to abort) and he remains responsible."


    Sorry, I'm just nitpicking I guess.
    Ah I see. Some might think it did not mean "right to choose" but only "right to abort." It meant right to choose, I suppose I could have tried to word it more clearly but didn't realize at the time it might confuse some.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Ah I see. Some might think it did not mean "right to choose" but only "right to abort." It meant right to choose, I suppose I could have tried to word it more clearly but didn't realize at the time it might confuse some.
    Kind of like the difference between Let's eat grandpa and Let's eat, grandpa.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    By having a vasectomy at age 16 = not having your children.
    That's right. I don't contest that. I addressed how I think of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You were called on that bull**** statement and now you're backpedaling.
    I don't think of that regret in the way you framed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Just - ick. I really hope that it came out all wrong when you wrote that and you actually love your kids to bits and pieces
    I never even hinted that I didn't love my children. I said I regret that I didn't do things in a better way, and that if I could I would go back and do them differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know - at least Mac loves his kids and didn't say 'oh, we have five, and I wish I had a vasectomy instead of my kids.'
    I didn't say anything which should give the impression that i don't love my children. I think you're just making things up now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    But never mind - future consideration: don't ever say anything that goes "I never wanted all the many I fathered and regretted the two I did keep" in any discussion on anything - because that's as low as someone can get as a parent, especially while trying to claim that 'life is worth something' and so on.
    If you don't like it, don't read it. Maybe my current children would not exist. So what? It's not like my current children would be killed. In fact if we had just kept the first 2 and I got a vasectomy then, my current children would not exist. And again, so what? People are just supposed to keep having infinite children? No.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    That manner of thinking assumes the worst of women and ignores the fact that since there are two parties involved and that there is equal responsibility. You can't have a baby without there being two people involved.
    As I said, it's her body, she has total control of the choices, so the primary responsibility lies with her. As for assuming the worst of women, unfortunately sexually active teenagers need to be aware of this possibility, as it isn't all that uncommon. There's nothing quite so dumb as a teenager in heat, and I would far rather my sons avoid getting a girl pregnant, who was either negligent of her responsibility for birth control, or not quite bright enough to take sex seriously and avoid negative consequences, than to have them dealing with being a daddy at 16. My children are my first concern and my first responsibility, and if I had had girls, they would have gotten the same speech. I offer absolutely no apology for trying to insure optimal chances for my sons' having a life without unnecessary regrets.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    As I said, it's her body, she has total control of the choices, so the primary responsibility lies with her. As for assuming the worst of women, unfortunately sexually active teenagers need to be aware of this possibility, as it isn't all that uncommon. There's nothing quite so dumb as a teenager in heat, and I would far rather my sons avoid getting a girl pregnant, who was either negligent of her responsibility for birth control, or not quite bright enough to take sex seriously and avoid negative consequences, than to have them dealing with being a daddy at 16. My children are my first concern and my first responsibility, and if I had had girls, they would have gotten the same speech. I offer absolutely no apology for trying to insure optimal chances for my sons' having a life without unnecessary regrets.
    As a person who has said unnecessary regrets, I thank you on behalf of your sons. I hope they listen.

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