View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Slavery was about slavery, not young white teen sluts from the burbs getting abortions. But hey you want to talk about slavery, let's talk about slavery.
    You keep repeating this, but you're not addressing the argument that forcing a woman to gestate is forcing her into servitude-- forcing her to labor against her will. Until you can demonstrate that forcing a woman to gestate is somehow not forcing her to provide a service against her will, we are still talking about slavery. Using misogynistic language to try to make this about other peoples' sexual behavior that you disapprove of is irrelevant, except to the extent that it reveals your true motivations for imposing such conditions upon free women.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    My Body, My Choice, is an argument based on a false premis.
    The premise is: "It's my body".

    This can be interpreted one of 2 ways, depending on what is meant by "my" or "mine":
    1. The unborn is literally another part of the woman's body, just like the woman's kidney, tooth or arm.
    2. The unborn is the woman's property.
    Or, three, that the unborn's survival and growth is directly and solely dependent upon the function of the woman's womb, and her entire body, which she has every right to deny the unborn the use of. You obsess over the fetus but you keep deliberately ignoring the matter of where the fetus is growing and how. Women would not have the right to kill fetuses that were growing in incubators, any more than anyone would have the right to kill a fetus that was growing in anyone else's body.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I am a voter, I pay taxes, therefore I have a Constitutional right to an authorative voice. No single voter or tax-payer decides any legal issue arbitrarily, but collectively, and nothing diminishes my contribution.
    The fact that you pay your taxes gives you absolutely no authority over the bodies and medical decisions of other free people.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well what is authority then?
    authority n. permission, a right coupled with the power to do an act or order others to act. Often one person gives another authority to act, as an employer to an employee, a principal to an agent, a corporation to its officers, or governmental empowerment to perform certain functions. There are different types of authority including "apparent authority" when a principal gives an agent various signs of authority to make others believe he or she has authority, "express authority" or "limited authority" which spell out exactly what authority is granted (usually a written set of instructions), "implied authority" which flows from the position one holds, and "general authority" which is the broad power to act for another.

    authority legal definition of authority. authority synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Let me know when you edit out all that bull**** about slavery so an adult conversation can occur.
    You keep asserting that it's bull****, but you still can't refute the argument. If it's bull****, why can't you refute it?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    You keep repeating this, but you're not addressing the argument that forcing a woman to gestate is forcing her into servitude-- forcing her to labor against her will.
    Man we're over 640 posts into this, what exactly do you expect me to say that hasn't already been said a few times on this thread? Do you want me to just go back and quote myself? Bring something new to the table, something fresh.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so if I have authority ,then where does that authority come from, it does not come from the constitution , because the constitution does not grant or give any authority to the people, it only places limitations on government.
    The Constitution does not grant rights, it recognizes them. In this case, it recognizes that people have the right to decide whom and how they will serve, and the right to be free from compulsion or coercion to the contrary. To put it simply, the legal right to abortion extends from the same human right to life and liberty that everyone else enjoys. Government can legally prohibit abortion, just as it once legally permitted one human being to own another, but it cannot morally do so.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Until you can demonstrate that forcing a woman to gestate is somehow not forcing her to provide a service against her will, we are still talking about slavery.
    Bro I'm not forcing anyone to do a goddamn thing so why don't you sit down over there have a beer and chill the **** out. You want to come in here braking forum rules insulting me for **** I didn't even do. Check yourself.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Do you want me to just go back and quote myself? Bring something new to the table, something fresh.
    If you ever actually refuted my argument, then yes, feel free to quote yourself doing so. Until then, you're just repeating the same unsupported assertion ad nauseam in the hopes that eventually I will give up and go away and allow you to continue advocating for the enslavement of women unchallenged.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Bro I'm not forcing anyone to do a goddamn thing so why don't you sit down over there have a beer and chill the **** out. You want to come in here braking forum rules insulting me for **** I didn't even do. Check yourself.
    I haven't insulted you yet. And I'm perfectly calm. You're not enslaving women, but you are advocating that the government do so. Morally, there is no difference.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    You obsess over the fetus but you keep deliberately ignoring the matter of where the fetus is growing and how.
    I haven't ignored a thing. We were debating a specific point. You don't have to be interested in that, that's cool, you can take things in your own direction, no problem. So you want to talk about slavery, great, start be quoting where SCOTUS equated abortion with slavery and shut down abortion bans on those grounds.

    Oh wait, SCOTUS didn't do that, right, because abortion has nothing whatsoever to do with slavery. Awww so much for that.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    I haven't insulted you yet. And I'm perfectly calm. You're not enslaving women, but you are advocating that the government do so. Morally, there is no difference.
    You truly have no idea who you're talking to or what you're talking about. Seriously.

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