View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

    5 4.95%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    "Choice" is a wonderful thing...as long as it doesn't infringe on others.
    My telling people that they should be abstinent doesn't infringe on them.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The unborn is not a part of the woman's body, either. The placenta is touching the uterus, is it not connected to the uterus. The ZEF has it's own circulatory, respiratory and nervous systems from the mother.

    You have no point.
    WTF?? Of course the placenta is connected to the uterus. How on Earth do you think oxygen and nutrients are passed to the unborn non-person??

    The placenta is the organ created during pregnancy to nourish the fetus, remove its waste, and produce hormones to sustain the pregnancy. The placenta is attached to the wall of the uterus by blood vessels that supply the fetus with oxygen and nutrition and remove waste from the fetus and transfer it to the mother.

    Placenta Previa Causes, Symptoms, Treatments

    Now ya know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    You have no point.
    With that astonishing claim that the placenta is not attached to the uterus, it is you who proved to a) have no point; and b) to be so desperate as to make such an outlandish claim as that.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Like marriage, abortion is not covered in the Constitution.
    Roe v. Wade covered it.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Roe v. Wade covered it.
    Roe v. Wade is not the Constitution.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Roe v. Wade is not the Constitution.
    Roe v. Wade was a case taken on by the U.S. Supreme Court, which interprets the U.S. Constitution. and the USSC ruled that abortion is Constitutional, so yes, the U.S. Constitution is what provides the authority to allow women in the U.S. to get an abortion legally.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    WTF?? Of course the placenta is connected to the uterus. How on Earth do you think oxygen and nutrients are passed to the unborn non-person??
    Unlike most other Americans, I actualy paid attention in sex-ed:

    8 Fascinating Placenta Facts | The Pregnancy Companion

    The discís attachment to the uterus is where the maternal blood and baby blood exchange oxygen and nutrients. The momís blood and babyís blood DO NOT TOUCH. The umbilical cord is attached to the placenta and it carries these nutrients directly into the babyís blood stream. The amniotic membranes (bag of water) adhere to the placenta as well as the uterus.
    Note "adhere". If you put a sticker on your arm, that sticker does not become part of your arm. It's just sticking to you. Same thing.

    The placenta is not a part of the woman's body. It's stuck to her, touching her for a time. Her blood and nervous system do not enter it. It is not a part of her, it is simply inside her. In real estate and construction we call this an easement or a right-of-way.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Roe v. Wade was a case taken on by the U.S. Supreme Court, which interprets the U.S. Constitution. and the USSC ruled that abortion is Constitutional, so yes, the U.S. Constitution is what provides the authority to allow women in the U.S. to get an abortion legally.
    You want to say that X is in a document because someone interpreted such. That's exactly how Young-Earth Creationism got started eventhough the bible itself never says how old the earth is.

    The Constitution does not address abortion. At best abortion falls under the 10th Amendment as a right not enumerated which falls to the people. Abortion is not in the Constitution, and that's why you had to reference Roe v. Wade instead of quote the Constitution directly.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Unlike most other Americans, I actualy paid attention in sex-ed:

    8 Fascinating Placenta Facts | The Pregnancy Companion

    The disc’s attachment to the uterus is where the maternal blood and baby blood exchange oxygen and nutrients. The mom’s blood and baby’s blood DO NOT TOUCH. The umbilical cord is attached to the placenta and it carries these nutrients directly into the baby’s blood stream. The amniotic membranes (bag of water) adhere to the placenta as well as the uterus.

    Note "adhere". If you put a sticker on your arm, that sticker does not become part of your arm. It's just sticking to you. Same thing.

    The placenta is not a part of the woman's body. It's stuck to her, touching her for a time. Her blood and nervous system do not enter it. It is not a part of her, it is simply inside her. In real estate and construction we call this an easement or a right-of-way.
    Oh my, what a pity you didn't bother to read your own link ...

    The placental tissue is shaped like a disc. The disc is made up of individual ‘cotyledons’ which are smaller circles within the larger circle that abut against each other. It is brownish red with a texture that can only be described as ‘liver meets berber carpet’. When the placenta lays flat, it appears to be one solid unit. But when you hold it up by the membranes and it forms its natural shape, you can see how each individual unit fits together.

    The disc’s attachment to the uterus is where the maternal blood and baby blood exchange oxygen and nutrients. The mom’s blood and baby’s blood DO NOT TOUCH. The umbilical cord is attached to the placenta and it carries these nutrients directly into the baby’s blood stream. The amniotic membranes (bag of water) adhere to the placenta as well as the uterus.

    And I note you avoided answering my question ... How on Earth do you think oxygen and nutrients are passed to the unborn non-person [if they're not connected to each other??

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Oh my, what a pity you didn't bother to read your own link ...
    [INDENT]The placental tissue is shaped like a disc. The disc is made up of individual ‘cotyledons’ which are smaller circles within the larger circle that abut against each other. It is brownish red with a texture that can only be described as ‘liver meets berber carpet’. When the placenta lays flat, it appears to be one solid unit. But when you hold it up by the membranes and it forms its natural shape, you can see how each individual unit fits together.

    The disc’s attachment to the uterus is where the maternal blood and baby blood exchange oxygen and nutrients. The mom’s blood and baby’s blood DO NOT TOUCH. The umbilical cord is attached to the placenta and it carries these nutrients directly into the baby’s blood stream. The amniotic membranes (bag of water) adhere to the placenta as well as the uterus.
    Attached does not mean a part of. When you attach a trailer to your car, the trailer does not become part of your car. The trailer even has it's own license plate and registration. A magazine is not a part of a rifle, it's an accessory like a costom grip or scope. Likewise a woman pregnant with a male baby is not a hermaphrodite.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The unborn non-person is still not part of a man's physical body.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The unborn is not a part of the woman's body, either.
    Words mean things. Words matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    How on Earth do you think oxygen and nutrients are passed to the unborn non-person [if they're not connected to each other??
    That was covered in my link. Didn't you read it?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what gives the woman that authoirty to abort the fetus, and prohibit government or another person from denying her that option...
    The fact that the fetus is growing inside her own body, over which she has full authority. Denying her that authority is deny her the right to her own life and liberty; the State doing so is declaring ownership of her body, and the entity-- whatever entity-- that forces her to gestate a child against her will is reducing her to slavery.

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