View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

    5 4.95%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    That's what I'm talking about.
    Maybe I read it wrong, but you seemed to imply that a man has a responsibility to support a child before the child has been born.

    Until the child is born, there is not responsibility, so that responsibility can not be evaded before the child is born because you can't evade something that doesn't exist
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    The UNBORN VICTIM was an embryo of about 7 weeks old. Technically it was NOT a CHILD.
    An embryo is a child. See the definition of "child".

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Jerry...if you're referring to the man who gave his girlfriend drugs to cause a miscarriage...or abortion if you prefer...the conviction WAS NOT MURDER...even though he was charged for a crime that lead to the death of an embryo...under the Unborn Victims Violence Act of 2004.
    The man is a confessed murderer whatever charges the DA filed and whatever sentence they plead for.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I support the man's right to have an abortion whenever he becomes pregnant
    I support your right to be blatantly sexist as evidenced by this post, but I don't want your support for inequality to be policy.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    But can you accept that a man was just convicted of murder for killing an unborn child?

    You can only "murder" a "person".

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/aborti...s-w-393-a.html
    Umm, he was convicted of product tampering and mail fraud, not for killing an unborn child. But I'm sure sangha appreciates you making his point.

    John Andrew Welden pleads guilty in Tampa abortion pill case

    TAMPA John Andrew Welden pleaded guilty Monday to federal charges of product tampering and mail fraud, admitting in court, as he had to detectives, that he slipped his ex-girlfriend an abortion drug.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I support the man's right to have an abortion whenever he becomes pregnant
    Ever hear a woman tell people "we're pregnant"?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is no responsibility to support the unborn. The responsibility to support begins when the child is born

    Birth first...???? You know, Sangha that if personhood was constitutionally given to the unborn...you couldn't say that.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ever hear a woman tell people "we're pregnant"?
    I've also heard woman say "It's not you. It's me"
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I don't disagree with what you're saying in terms of support. It's a double whammy deal. Mom...Dad...MUST be responsible for the BIRTH and raising of a child...IF..the woman chooses to carry the conception to full term. And that may not be the case.

    Now we know that most conception are brought to full-term. That is a "Choice". And we also know that some women CHOOSE not to carry a conception to full term. That too is her CHOICE.

    So in the case where a conception is brought to full term...both mommy and daddy...are indeed responsible for its well being...for at least 18 years. But if you're a parent...sometimes that responsibility never goes away. Some children are born with special challenges that will prevent them from being independent. That will be a lifetime of support required from both mommy and daddy...be they together or not.

    But in the end...A woman who conceives...has the legal right to determine the fate of the conception within the boundaries of the law.
    I agree with that. There are some here, however, who are taking the position that men should have the ability to "opt out" of that responsibility, should they so choose.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's either ok to own another person as property, or it's not. We all play by the same rules. Equality et-all.

    If owning another person is ok, then abortion is ok, and so is enslaving women.

    If owning another person is not ok, then enslaving women is not ok, but neither is abortion.

    #logic
    The problem with your logic is that an embryo is not a person.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I've also heard woman say...
    That's a yes.

    He made a choice, and you are required to support it since you're pro-choice. That's what pro-choice means, supporting absolutely any choice at all with no regard to ethics or standards. As I said before, the man always has a choice regardless of what the law says. Just as women used to get illegal abortions, men can also use illegal means to enforce their choice. Like women who got illegal abortions, you have to either be smart enough to get away with it, or accept the consequences. It looks like this guy is accepting the consequences.

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