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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I wanted to give a couple of people a chance to respond before I put my two cents in.

    For my own part, I don't believe a man should dictate to a woman how to deal with her own body. I agree with Lizzie, the responsibility for her own body is uniquely the woman's.

    However, I believe that a unilateral choice should have unilateral consequences. Therefore, if the male does not wish to have a child and he makes his decision plain, he should be allowed to legally opt-out of all further responsibility (and thus all future parental rights) at some point in the process.
    If a man makes his "decision plan" and "does not wish to have a child," he needs to put a damned sock on it. If he's going to lay there and complain . . . whine that he doesn't feel as good . . . believe!!! a woman who says she's protected . . . tell a woman he's not capable of fathering a child . . . He gets exactly what he's earned: 18 years of child support payments and help with college.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes. A firm backdrop. He gets 90 days firm from the point he is notified to make his choice.
    Even if she has already given birth.
    That was the crux of my argument!! Fair for everyone involved...
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If a man makes his "decision plan" and "does not wish to have a child," he needs to put a damned sock on it. If he's going to lay there and complain . . . whine that he doesn't feel as good . . . believe!!! a woman who says she's protected . . . tell a woman he's not capable of fathering a child . . . He gets exactly what he's earned: 18 years of child support payments and help with college.
    He's earned 18 years of hell because his birth control method fails? Birth control is not 100%.

    You know I love you Mags but that is just harsh and illogical. Why can't she just abort?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Captain Adverse good topic.

    I selected I don't know by mistake. Although a man has a right in the discussion of whether to abort, ultimately the woman has the power since it's gestating in her body. However if she decides to abort the man ought to not have financial, emotional nor psychological responsibility if she does so on her own cognizance.
    Last edited by Hypersonic; 09-13-13 at 09:05 PM.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well I'm guessing that if the baby is born within 90 days, she either a) took her sweet ass time to tell him, or b) is miscarrying.
    The point is that he should get a set amount of time after being notified. When ever that may be.
    From the point she finds out, or 5 years later when she finally tells him.

    If she gets roughly 90 days to decide, why shouldn't he? This is about fairness isn't it?

    This set amount of time eliminates any discrepancies caused by her not telling him in a timely manner.
    It would be the law at the time and she would know it.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He's earned 18 years of hell because his birth control method fails? Birth control is not 100%.

    You know I love you Mags but that is just harsh and illogical. Why can't she just abort?
    And I love you right back.

    Women lie. Women are nesters. They often, even subconsciously, want children with the man they love. "I'm on birth control." Don't believe it. Don't believe she's taking her medication correctly. The way the laws are now (and they're not going to change the way some in the post would like to see them change any time soon), the burden is on the one who doesn't want children. Don't want kids? Use protection. Yeah, sometimes it fails. But not as often as whiney men and women would lead us to believe.

    I think guys have got to remember something. The child is an innocent consequence. The child doesn't deserve to suffer because a woman was careless or a man (or woman) lied. A mother is NEVER going to be able to give away her child's right to child support. Never-ever.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If a man makes his "decision plan" and "does not wish to have a child," he needs to put a damned sock on it. If he's going to lay there and complain . . . whine that he doesn't feel as good . . . believe!!! a woman who says she's protected . . . tell a woman he's not capable of fathering a child . . . He gets exactly what he's earned: 18 years of child support payments and help with college.
    I was almost with you up until the underlined part. I'm confused there....so if a woman lies in order to get pregnant you're saying that's a perfectly acceptable method of force-starting a family?? You do realize that using a condom is not 100% certain, right? Beyond that, as Lizzie point's out, the WOMAN is in charge of her body and can REQUIRE a man to put protection on right?

    This should be especially true of any woman who is Pro-Life! She should NEVER allow a male to engage in sexual activity unless she is fully protected by both his "sock" and her contraceptives. IMO No one should expect a moment of passion to become a lifetime of hatred and recrimination.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The point is that he should get a set amount of time after being notified. When ever that may be.
    From the point she finds out, or 5 years later when she finally tell him.

    If she gets roughly 90 days to decide, why shouldn't he. This is about fairness isn't it?

    This set amount of time eliminates any discrepancies caused by her not telling him in a timely manner.
    It would be the law at the time and she would know it.
    Well, the reason I said 90 days is because I am pro-choice in the first trimester. After 3 1/2 to 4 months, the risks become greater and we're dealing with a lot more ethical dilemmas. I don't think a guy needs 3 months to know if he's going to want to be a dad. I'd be willing to bet that most guys would know if they want to be a dad before the end of SportsCenter. Barring that, 7 days is enough thinking. It's just the woman's responsibility to inform as early as possible.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Sorry, in another thread I what??!! Anyone can sign away their affirmative parental rights, in fact that's one method whereby parent's can put a child up for adoption. I'm not familiar with all state laws, but I would be surprised if there were laws currently allowing a male to avoid child support if the mother retains parental rights over a shared child.
    In the thread where the woman's responsibilities were being discussed you said every time a woman has sex she should be prepared for the consequences if she becomes pregnant. I'd say that shoe can be made to fit every man who engages in sex. He should also be VERY aware there can very well be long term consequences if a child is conceived that he doesn't have an absolute say in. Double coats are for more than paint!

    Oklahoma has provisions for a dad to bail if he signs away his parental rights. It is part of a few divorce decrees I know of. (not me, I am sticking with the woman I got drunk enough to marry me!) but the ex-wife has a say in it, the Judge approves it.

    But does anyone know just how many men are so enslaved????

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I was almost with you up until the underlined part. I'm confused there....so if a woman lies in order to get pregnant you're saying that's a perfectly acceptable method of force-starting a family?? You do realize that using a condom is not 100% certain, right? Beyond that, as Lizzie point's out, the WOMAN is in charge of her body and can REQUIRE a man to put protection on right?

    This should be especially true of any woman who is Pro-Life! She should NEVER allow a male to engage in sexual activity unless she is fully protected by both his "sock" and her contraceptives. IMO No one should expect a moment of passion to become a lifetime of hatred and recrimination.
    I hope I was clear that what I was saying was that a man should never believe a woman who says she's on birth control if he doesn't want children. A child should NEVER suffer the consequences of irresponsible sex. Should never be raised in poverty by a single, unsupported mom. And especially not because the GUY wanted her to have an abortion.

    That's just me. Maybe I'm old-fashioned. BUT the law's on my side. And, realistically, it's not changing any time soon. A woman CANNOT give up a child's legal right to support.
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