View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

    5 4.95%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    ...so, men have no obligation to support the mother of the child, only the child itself... Why can't a man sign off on his obligations to his child? Is this what you're asking?

    Life just ain't fair, is it?
    Correct as a matter of "public policy" i.e. current state law. However, law can be changed and this discussion is about the rationale for and against.

    As for life not being fair? No one said LIFE was... However we do strive to to make things as equitable for all citizens as possible...at least we seem to.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    He's no different if he coerces her to have an abortion.
    Abandoning your family is terrible, but it doesn't in and of itself coerce anyone to do something even worse.

    I am assuming that is what you meant.

    Literally, if you are coerced into an action you bear no responsibility for that action, the other agent does. What we were talking about is awful but not tantamount to the proverbial "gun to the head."

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Consent to have sex is not consent to have children.
    Repeating the dumbest post I ever read on this forum does not make it any wiser. And I didn't take your words out of context. I quoted your post and addressed it.

    I'll address it again since you didn't understand the first time.

    Excluding cases were either the man or the woman is incapable of producing a child, pregnancy is always a risk of sex. That makes having a child consensual even if unintended.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So you think people should sacrifice their beloved pets but not their beloved money. Got it. You really are a lawyer aren't you.
    You are impossible. Trolling is supposed to occur in a different forum, and even then parties are not required to participate. Up here, we are supposed to follow forum rules of debate. If you were not a moderator I could simply place you on ignore. Since I cannot, I'll plainly state I have no intention of responding to you again.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So am I understand the government has authority over your wallets?
    Of course it does. Try not paying your taxes.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Well we are getting close to the 500 post mark and currently the
    No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.
    is in the lead.

    And some folks think it wont eventually happen. Yeah right.
    Wise up. It is going to. It is only right and fair.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Repeating the dumbest post I ever read on this forum does not make it any wiser. And I didn't take your words out of context. I quoted your post and addressed it.

    I'll address it again since you didn't understand the first time.

    Excluding cases were either the man or the woman is incapable of producing a child, pregnancy is always a risk of sex. That makes having a child consensual even if unintended.
    Only in your fantasies.
    Consent to sex is not consent to a child. No mater how you try to spin it, it just ain't so.
    Show us a SCOTUS case saying otherwise.
    You can't because it just ain't so.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    You are impossible. Trolling is supposed to occur in a different forum, and even then parties are not required to participate. Up here, we are supposed to follow forum rules of debate. If you were not a moderator I could simply place you on ignore. Since I cannot, I'll plainly state I have no intention of responding to you again.
    Kinds exposed your hypocrisy didn't I? Saving animal lives = wrong and bad, saving money = good.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Of course it does. Try not paying your taxes.
    How is the government making taxes involuntary give them the power to make taxes involuntary? How does that work exactly? I see nothing in the Constitution that permits them to take what they want from people without their consent. Do you?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Abandoning your family is terrible, but it doesn't in and of itself coerce anyone to do something even worse.

    I am assuming that is what you meant.

    Literally, if you are coerced into an action you bear no responsibility for that action, the other agent does. What we were talking about is awful but not tantamount to the proverbial "gun to the head."
    Jay, to a young girl who's pregnant, she may literally feel as she has no choice but to abort.

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