View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That isn't what is being suggested.
    Her choice should be independent of his.
    If she wants to support a child, than by all means have it.
    But she should not be able to force a burden on a man who doesn't want it either.
    That's exactly what's being suggested. It's not like his hands are clean and that he had nothing to do with her being pregnant.. I don't support essentially trying to blackmail women into acting the way he wants. I also do wish that we could stop viewing kids as burdens. If you're a deadbeat, it's you that's the burden.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    No, your position that consensual sex is somehow consent to have a child, is what is deluded.
    Especially if either one are using contraceptives.
    Consent to have sex is not consent to have a child.
    Holy ****! That's about the dumbest thing I ever read here.



    Pregnancy is a potential result of a man and woman having sex. Even when using protection. Any man capable of fathering a child knows this. Other than in cases where either partner is incapable of reproducing, having sex is always consenting to having a child since in those cases, it's always a potential risk. At most, you can contend it was not your intention of have a child, but it's absurd to claim you don't consent to having a child. It's explicit when a man who can produce a child has sex with a woman who can produce a child.

    Try going to court and explaining to the judge you shouldn't have to support your own child because you didn't consent to the having the child, but the condom tore! See how far that gets ya.



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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Which changes the argument none.
    Child support is the right of the child, not the mother.

    No it isn't.
    Consent to sex is consent to have a child. Therefor a man's choice is made when he has sex and all is fair and equal.

    So again, please provide a SCOTUS ruling saying it is.
    That sperm is legaly a gift the woman may do with as she pleases, or that child sipport is a right of the child parents cannot sign away?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That's exactly what's being suggested. It's not like his hands are clean and that he had nothing to do with her being pregnant.. I don't support essentially trying to blackmail women into acting the way he wants. I also do wish that we could stop viewing kids as burdens. If you're a deadbeat, it's you that's the burden.
    Why is it any more acceptable for her to blackmail the man?

    Saying he has the right to make his own independent decisions is not "blackmail." No one is trying to stop her from making whatever decision she wants. If she is determined to have the kid, she still can.

    Other people having rights to themselves is not "blackmail." To say so is to deny personal responsibility, and to say that it is ok to actually blackmail men.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That isn't what is being suggested.
    Her choice should be independent of his.
    If she wants to support a child, than by all means have it.
    But she should not be able to force a burden on a man who doesn't want it either.
    What you're saying does not make her choice "independent of his" at all. If you're truly pro-choice, I'd think you'd want her to be free to make the choice without financial coercion being a part of it. This is more pro-abortion than pro-choice.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That's exactly what's being suggested. It's not like his hands are clean and that he had nothing to do with her being pregnant.. I don't support essentially trying to blackmail women into acting the way he wants. I also do wish that we could stop viewing kids as burdens. If you're a deadbeat, it's you that's the burden.
    Wrong!
    No one has suggested such.
    As their decisions are independent of each other, it can't be.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That isn't what is being suggested.
    Her choice should be independent of his.
    If she wants to support a child, than by all means have it.
    But she should not be able to force a burden on a man who doesn't want it either.
    She forces nothing. He accepted the burdon when he chose to have sex. He should be a man and stand by his decisions.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Why is it any more acceptable for her to blackmail the man?

    Saying he has the right to make his own independent decisions is not "blackmail." No one is trying to stop her from making whatever decision she wants. If she is determined to have the kid, she still can.

    Other people having rights to themselves is not "blackmail." To say so is to deny personal responsibility, and to say that it is ok to actually blackmail men.
    By expecting him to support children he helped create? Oh the horror.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Please provide a counter-example in the USA where consensual sex is NOT under the control of the woman; i.e. where it is not up to her whether or not to require the man to use contraception.
    Sex (excluding rape) requires mutual consent.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong!
    No one has suggested such.
    As their decisions are independent of each other, it can't be.
    That's exactly what this is. You saying it isn't doesn't make it so. The time to decide is before pregnancy.

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