View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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Thread: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Sorry ChrisL, we are going to have to disagree. No man can "insert his sperm" without the permission of the woman. If he does, it is rape.

    In any consensual act, that she allows him to do so is HER choice alone!
    And no woman can get pregnant without the man inserting himself. Those are the facts. It takes TWO to make a baby. Accept it and move on.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    The man is just a visitor. That's a really stupid excuse to say the least. He knows darn well that when he has sex with a woman there is always the possibility that she can become pregnant, unless she is too old or has had her reproductive organs removed, or unless he has had a vasectomy.

    He should let that woman know beforehand that if an accident occurs, which they sometimes do, that he is not going to take responsibility for any child born from the sexual union. THEN, she can make a truly informed decision and also be a little more informed as to what type of person she is dealing with too.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    The law should only be concerned with what is best for the child that results, and not what's in the best interest of the man who helped create the child, whether inadvertently and due to his own stupidity as well, or not. Otherwise, you'll have MORE mothers and children collecting welfare benefits. So now EVERYONE pays for this child.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And no woman can get pregnant without the man inserting himself. Those are the facts. It takes TWO to make a baby. Accept it and move on.
    That's right it takes TWO. Yet only ONE gets to decide? Sorry does not fly.

    If I own a house, I decide who comes and goes and what happens within it. Anyone who enters without my permission is subject to legal penalties.

    If I have a fireplace in this house then I know that if I place wood in it there is a small chance I will start a major fire if proper safety is not followed. I invite a friend into my house, and give him permission to start a fire while I am right there with him supervising the whole process; however I fail to make sure a fire extinguisher is present and that the grating is properly secured. Then the house catches fire and ends up burning down...who's fault is it?

    I can certainly try to blame the guy who built the fire; but it was done with my permission, I was there to control the whole process, and I failed to ensure proper safety requirements were followed. Therefore, It is MY fault that my house burned down.

    Sex is no different...the woman has control and can require that all safety measures be observed; if she fails and her house burns down don't blame the visitor.
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; 09-14-13 at 05:45 PM.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    That's right it takes TWO. Yet only ONE gets to decide? Sorry does not fly.

    If I own a house, I decide who comes and goes and what happens within it. Anyone who enters without my permission is subject to legal penalties.

    If I have a fireplace in this house then I know that if I place wood in it there is a small chance I will start a major fire. I invite a friend into my house, and give him permission to start a fire while I am right there with him supervising the whole process; however I fail t make sure a fire extinguisher is present and that the grating is properly secured. Then the house catches fire and ends up burning down...who's fault is it?

    I can certainly try to blame the guy who built the fire, but it was done with my permission, I was there to control the whole process, and I failed to ensure proper safety requirements were followed. Therefore, It is MY fault that my house burned down. Sex if no different...the woman has control and can require all safety measure be observed; if she fails and her house burns down don't blame the visitor.
    That's why I said a contract should be drawn up for you to give to women you want to sleep with beforehand. If it held up in court, then you could be absolved of your responsibility.

    And in this way, a woman isn't being inadvertently forced to make a decision that she may not agree with because of financial pressure.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's why I said a contract should be drawn up for you to give to women you want to sleep with beforehand. If it held up in court, then you could be absolved of your responsibility.

    And in this way, a woman isn't being inadvertently forced to make a decision that she may not agree with because of financial pressure.
    I did see that suggestion. The problem is it would not work, because as other members have stated many courts hold that "the needs of the child trump the desires of the father." That's the basis of the case Minnie616 posted; where a lesbian couple placed an ad for a sperm donor so they could have a child. A sperm donor provided a "sample" but the lesbian couple later broke up. Now the "mother" is suing the sperm donor for child support. There may well be other cases where "sperm donors" have been held accountable in state courts for child support, I don't know. But unless there is some legal recourse created, currently even your idea would not work.

    It would be nice though.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Lake I have a million times, both have responsibility. The man and the woman because both contributed to the creation of a child. If a guy slips it in without cover he is just as responsible.
    Fine, so why are you providing the woman an out? If she's responsible, why does she get to have an abortion if she wants and get out of it?

    I'm trying to get you to admit you're being biased. Just admit it and be done.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's why I said a contract should be drawn up for you to give to women you want to sleep with beforehand. If it held up in court, then you could be absolved of your responsibility.

    And in this way, a woman isn't being inadvertently forced to make a decision that she may not agree with because of financial pressure.
    Since child support is a right of the child the courts will void your contract on the grounds that parents cannot sign away their child's rights.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I like how Conservatives' feel abortion should not be allowed ... but once born, they want an option out of personal responsibility to raise the child.
    It's an issue that is far more complex than anything partisan hackery can cover.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You ought to coordinate a march in Washington ... the Million Deadbeat March!

    The women seemed to get their rights without calling themselves "the women that want to kill their offspring". Why would this be different?

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