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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Give him 30 days from the day that he is informed that he got someone pregnant to make his decision and inform the court/mother of his decision.
    Wouldn't it be more fair if he was given roughly the same about of time she theoretically had also?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Nobody is going to say that the woman should be forced to abort. What some of us are saying is that the man should have a legal avenue to absolve himself of obligation, should a woman decide to carry to term against a man's wishes.
    And what others will point out is the distinct potential for sharp upticks in single parent households, dire poverty and generally careless behavior as a result of allowing men to simply stroll away without a consequence to be found.


    If she wants to do that with the full knowledge that the child is hers and hers alone, so be it. Otherwise, you force not only an economic burden on a man.. but a moral hazard insofar that she could keep this baby for the purposes of "trapping" a man against his will.
    What you're proposing is a moral hazard and an economic burden. There's a variety of reasons as to why many women choose to carry to term, even in less than optimal circumstances. If you help to knock over the first domino, you necessarily share the burden for the remainder that fall afterwards.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    If anything, men are legally bound enough to raising their children.

    Men need to help accountable for their choices. Women by nature can't so easily avoid the burden and as an enlightened society we have to ensure that all parties responsible accept their share of the burden.

    But, of course, the positon of wanting to hold deadbeat fathers accountable to support their families stems from the same principle as my opposition to abortion, which is obviously my extreme hatred for women.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That's on her then. She has the burden of providing opportunity. If she denies it to the man, she is in turn deprived of it herself.

    Obviously this would bring up grey areas, but if you set up a firm backdrop, you'd have less pregnant women trying to game the system. We get that enough with welfare.
    Yes. A firm backdrop. He gets 90 days firm from the point he is notified to make his choice.
    Even if she has already given birth.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    And what others will point out is the distinct potential for sharp upticks in single parent households, dire poverty and generally careless behavior as a result of allowing men to simply stroll away without a consequence to be found.




    What you're proposing is a moral hazard and an economic burden. There's a variety of reasons as to why many women choose to carry to term, even in less than optimal circumstances. If you help to knock over the first domino, you necessarily share the burden for the remainder that fall afterwards.
    If a woman carries a child to term when she is well informed that the man wishes no responsibility for her, that's on her. If she herself is in no condition financially to raise a child, that shows poor decision-making on her part.

    The man's irresponsibility is conditional. The woman's is absolute.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes. A firm backdrop. He gets 90 days firm from the point he is notified to make his choice.
    Even if she has already given birth.
    Well I'm guessing that if the baby is born within 90 days, she either a) took her sweet ass time to tell him, or b) is miscarrying.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I wanted to give a couple of people a chance to respond before I put my two cents in.

    For my own part, I don't believe a man should dictate to a woman how to deal with her own body. I agree with Lizzie, the responsibility for her own body is uniquely the woman's.

    However, I believe that a unilateral choice should have unilateral consequences. Therefore, if the male does not wish to have a child and he makes his decision plain, he should be allowed to legally opt-out of all further responsibility (and thus all future parental rights) at some point in the process.
    For years I posted this argument and for years I was all alone getting screamed at and called names by posters here at DP. Times have certainly changed recently and I have no idea why, but it is good to see.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I sense a bit of a back story to your view. In another thread you think a woman should be prepared to deal with a pregnancy every time she spreads her thighs so I'd say a guy can't just opt out. He knew there might be a baby created if he hops on board.

    But I have to wonder just how much of a real issue this is. I know several 'sperm donors' who signed away their parental rights and avoided child support payments (not sure that works with the State if the mommy is on the public dole)

    Does anyone know how many one night stands, tricked boyfriends, are slaves to a mommy dearest....
    Sorry, in another thread I what??!!

    Anyone can sign away their affirmative parental rights, in fact that's one method whereby parent's can put a child up for adoption.

    I'm not familiar with all state laws, but I would be surprised if there were laws currently allowing a male to avoid child support if the mother retains parental rights over a shared child. I suppose extreme financial hardship is a possibility, but his finances would be under continuous scrutiny.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    And what others will point out is the distinct potential for sharp upticks in single parent households, dire poverty and generally careless behavior as a result of allowing men to simply stroll away without a consequence to be found.


    What you're proposing is a moral hazard and an economic burden. There's a variety of reasons as to why many women choose to carry to term, even in less than optimal circumstances. If you help to knock over the first domino, you necessarily share the burden for the remainder that fall afterwards.
    No. Such Law would make it even more likely that women without support would not be giving birth as much.

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    of allowing men to simply stroll away without a consequence to be found.
    The point is that she should not be able to force consequences on a man that she herself can decide not to have.
    He should have the same effective choice.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Also, a man should only be allowed to "opt out" of financial and parental responsibilities if his partner mutually accepts. The idea that he is somehow less obligated to provide for the child's well being is absurd.
    If she doesn't want to raise the child alone she can use birth control and abort the pregnancy... why is that option not a valid one? What is absurd is allowing the woman to have 100% total power backed up by the government and its unstoppable force. THAT **** is absurd and the sexist ideas behind it are slowly dissolving away, thank god.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Sorry, in another thread I what??!!

    Anyone can sign away their affirmative parental rights, in fact that's one method whereby parent's can put a child up for adoption.

    I'm not familiar with all state laws, but I would be surprised if there were laws currently allowing a male to avoid child support if the mother retains parental rights over a shared child.
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