View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Sex should not be a "trap."
    Its only a trap for thise who don't walk rightly.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    All she has to do is remind him, no sex without a condum.

    We are not talking about rape here. In a consentual situation women have the final say. A guy can sniff around all he wants, but a woman must say yes before anything happens down there. The woman has ALL the power. NOTHING can happen down there without her consent in a voluntary sexual encounter.
    Let's pretend for a moment that men are as powerless as you seem to think. If anything then, they should be even more careful not to get a girl pregnant, for that's when they are truly powerless.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    All he has to do is remember. She is no more responsible than he.
    In this I personally disagree. I've already explained, she has ALL the power and NOTHING can happen down there without her permission. She should remind him because she has ultimate control over what happens with her body...he is just "visiting" it.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    In this I personally disagree. I've already explained, she has ALL the power and NOTHING can happen down there without her permission. She should remind him because she has ultimate control over what happens with her body...he is just "visiting" it.
    It's the same for the man. He chooses who he inserts his sperm into and has just as much control over that.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Let's pretend for a moment that men are as powerless as you seem to think. If anything then, they should be even more careful not to get a girl pregnant, for that's when they are truly powerless.
    Circular arguments have no value is a discourse. Please try again.

    I don't think men are "powerless," I know this for a fact. All a man can do is try to persuade a woman to engage in sex. The law already prevents him from forcing her.

    Women are well-aware that any male they allow to pass their "heavenly gates" is only there on a "visitors pass." Whatever he leaves might end up "trespassing" in there. So it is up to her to control visitation rights.

    There are no two ways around it. The WOMAN has absolute control; whether or not she completely surrenders it is up to her.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Circular arguments have no value is a discourse. Please try again.

    I don't think men are "powerless," I know this for a fact. All a man can do is try to persuade a woman to engage in sex. The law already prevents him from forcing her.

    Women are well-aware that any male who passes the "heavenly gates" is only there on a "visitors pass." Whatever he leaves might end up "trespassing" in there. So it is up to her to control visitation rights.

    There are no two ways around it. The WOMAN has absolute control, whether or not she completely surrenders it is up to her.
    That is totally not true. He is no less responsible than she is for where he inserts his penis and sperm.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    As a woman, if you don't want to get pregnant, don't spread your legs. Why are you being so biased?
    Lake I have a million times, both have responsibility. The man and the woman because both contributed to the creation of a child. If a guy slips it in without cover he is just as responsible.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's the same for the man. He chooses who he inserts his sperm into and has just as much control over that.
    Sorry ChrisL, we are going to have to disagree. No man can "insert his sperm" without the permission of the woman. If he does, it is rape.

    In any consensual act, that she allows him to do so is HER choice alone!
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; 09-14-13 at 05:04 PM.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    In this I personally disagree. I've already explained, she has ALL the power and NOTHING can happen down there without her permission. She should remind him because she has ultimate control over what happens with her body...he is just "visiting" it.
    Unless the man is sterile .. he has power too.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Okay...let's spice up your scenario.

    Guy's out on the town

    Guy meets girl

    They bull**** around abit and start discussing going to her place

    The girl asked the guy..."are you married", he says "No."

    He lies....

    They get to her place and hop in bed and he says, "are you protected"...which since he's married that's not really something he'd ask...but....

    She said yes, but lies...

    Kaboom...a pregnancy occurs as a result of these two liars have a wild romp

    What do believe should be the legal outcome of that pregnancy be?

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    TD...doesn't this issue really revolve around something similar to following?:

    Most pro-choice will say that a woman is not giving automatic consent to conception when she has sex. If that's true, then why is a man legally and financially bound to a conception if one occur... especially if the man also didn't give consent to conception when having sex.

    The following has been scenario is suggested by numerous men...

    What if there was a law...similar to Roe v. Wade...in which it states that in the case of an unwanted pregnancy by a man...and not the woman. Then during the period of non-viability of the embryo or fetus, that the sperm donor can legally declare that he doesn't want to be a father and will have the CHOICE to waiver out of any responsibility for the pregnancy or a child given birth to.

    Now, since the declaration must be made during the non-viability period...then the woman can decide if she wants to have an abortion so that she herself doesn't have the burdens involved....or she "chooses" to carry the embryo or fetus to full-term.

    If the woman choose abortion...then he pays half.

    Now the above sounds simple enough, however.....

    What might be the objections of a woman for such a law being enacted?
    tl dr. it comes down to intent



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