View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Great post. Although I don't think anyone is lying, they are just misinterpreting things. A lot of people are looking at this as a man versus woman issue period apparently.
    You are correct. "LIE" is the wrong word. "False" would have been the correct choice.

    I get stirred up when I read of men giving all their whiny, crying, raging reasons why the get to be deadbeat dads and dump their own children because they are angry at the woman or any other reason. I also feel the same about deadbeat moms too. So my wrong choice of "Lie" was based in anger, when actually "false" would have been better.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A man has 100% exactly the same rights and duties - economically and otherwise - as a woman. There are NO exceptions. IF a man became pregnant, he absolutely has a right to an abortion or have the child - and the woman could not dictate to him either way. IF he had the child despite her wanting him to abort it, she still would be economically liable.

    Otherwise, upon birth a woman and man both have an identical economic obligation in law to the child, regardless of who gave birth to it.
    Case in point.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Someone who tells me that having sex is not consent to creating offspring - something I entirely disagree with - cannot then argue for mandatory child support without being a blatant sexist and a hypocrite. By the status quo, having sex is indeed consent to creating offspring... as long as you're a man.
    How do you explain this blatant inconsistency? And no, post #322 did not explain it at all, in its text you simply lied and claimed no inconsistency existed.

    You think sex is consent to creating offspring for a man, but not for a woman. That is a double standard. That is sexism, plain and simple.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, just because you say we are past that point doesn't mean we accept YOUR explanations. The woman is no more liable for the sex that resulted in said child than the man.
    That is your opinion.
    By virtue of he have sole control over her body, she is solely responsible.
    Which is irrelevant as we are past that point.

    The point being that she is pregnant. She should not get to make a decision that would burden him.
    Obviously you agree that she should. Doesn't change that fact that it is unfair and wrong.
    He should be given the same effective right to choose. Just as she has. That is fair.

    This is just one of those issues that is going to change with time. It is inevitable.
    As previously noted by another, a change can already be seen by the responses to the poll.
    Nothing but time. I hope you are alive to see it.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    If the man is the one who carries the baby he has the right to decide whether to have an abortion or not. But as men cannot get pregnant and it is the woman who has the ZEF in her body, she is the only one who has the right to decide about abortion or not. In a perfect world it would be a joint decision but in the end it is her body so it is her choice.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Case in point.



    How do you explain this blatant inconsistency? And no, post #322 did not explain it at all, it simply lied and claimed no inconsistency existed.
    As long as you have consensual sex, the risk of pregnancy is always going to exist unless you've had your reproductive organs removed or otherwise rendered dysfunctional. Hopefully in the future we can have a 100% effective form of birth control and not have to deal with these complicated issues.

    Otherwise, people could draw up contracts before they get involved with somebody sexually. I guess you don't have to introduce that on THE NIGHT, if you know what I mean.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Here's the thing - your rights end where another person's begin. You don't have the right to force another person to undergo a medical procedure.


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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A man has 100% exactly the same rights and duties ...
    No he doesn't. That has already been clearly established.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    yes I recognize that the welfare of children are irrelevant to you and it all is just a power struggle between the man and the woman to you.
    Stop making assumptions out of your butt. Beside you being wrong, it is not dignified.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The core premise of the OP is a TOTAL LIE.
    The core premiss of fairness is not a lie.
    You just don't like it.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Here's the thing - your rights end where another person's begin. You don't have the right to force another person to undergo a medical procedure.
    That is great you know that.
    Nor should they be able to burden another individual with their choice.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    As long as you have consensual sex, the risk of pregnancy is always going to exist unless you've had your reproductive organs removed or otherwise rendered dysfunctional.
    Agreed, entirely. That fact informs my view. Whereas people who support the status quo on child support AND abortion believe that sex is consent to create offspring for only the man, I disagree and realize that it is consent to create offspring for both parties (unless one is sterile - in which case, it's a moot point).

    Hopefully in the future we can have a 100% effective form of birth control and not have to deal with these complicated issues.
    Nothing is foolproof, and some people are just reckless.

    Otherwise, people could draw up contracts before they get involved with somebody sexually. I guess you don't have to introduce that on THE NIGHT, if you know what I mean.
    Well it's probably best to get certain things clear before you do the deed, as it were. I don't know about drafting formal papers, but whatever floats other folks' respective boats.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Case in point.



    How do you explain this blatant inconsistency? And no, post #322 did not explain it at all, in its text you simply lied and claimed no inconsistency existed.

    You think sex is consent to creating offspring for a man, but not for a woman. That is a double standard. That is sexism, plain and simple.
    I have never said sex is consent to having offspring. Never said it. Never implied it. What I have stated is obvious:

    Neither the man or woman can force the other to undergo any medical procedure of any kind. Neither can prevent the other from having any medical procedure. Both are economically liable for any child they make. There is no double standard whatsoever.

    Now... we come to the question of whether you are 1.) pro-life or 2.) just a man who wants power over women. IF you are pro-life, then you would totally oppose a man being able to economically extort a woman to try to pressure her into an abortion. If you are instead pro-abortion if it saves the man money, then you will agree than a man can get out of economic liability for his own children if he fails to extort the woman into an abortion.

    Which are you? Anti-abortion? Or pro-abortion if it saves men $$ about their own children?

    A true "pro-lifer" would oppose anything and everything that might lead to abortions. A TRUE pro-lifer would NOT support men being given the ability to punish both the woman and child if she doesn't abort.

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