View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Clearly, any man who is actually bearing the child should do as he pleases. Otherwise he should mind his own business.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The only reason she chooses is because it's her body.
    You are going in circles now. This was already addressed.
    It is understood why it came about. The ruling then allows her to arbitrarily decide if he should be burdened. That is neither fair or right. Especially when she is allowed not to burden herself if she so chooses.
    She should not be able to make a decision that burdens him. That is wrong.
    Which is why he should have the same effective right.



    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What if he wants her to keep the child and she wants to abort it and they can't come to a consensus.

    Then what? Are you going to force the woman to carry this child that she doesn't want?
    That is silly to even bring up, as we have already established that she has the right over her own body and that this is an effective right to choose to terminate as she has.
    Because she should not have the right to burden him with her choice.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Clearly, any man who is actually bearing the child should do as he pleases. Otherwise he should mind his own business.
    Speaking of blatant sexism.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If it was legal to do, than it is just killing.
    Taking a life must be justified. Not rationalized, justified. Any law which removes the inherant requierment for the taking of a life to first be justified undermines its own authority and is void.

    Elective abortion does not require justification, therefor elective abortion is murder.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are going in circles now. This was already addressed.
    It is understood why it came about. The ruling then allows her to arbitrarily decide if he should be burdened. That is neither fair or right. Especially when she is allowed not to burden herself if she so chooses.
    She should not be able to make a decision that burdens him. That is wrong.
    Which is why he should have the same effective right.



    That is silly to even bring up, as we have already established that she has the right over her own body and that this is an effective right to choose to terminate as she has.
    Because she should not have the right to burden him with her choice.
    He willingly made a choice himself when he slept with the woman. I don't feel any more sorry for him than I do for her. Don't play if you can't pay.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    I believe that the men who "father" children but want nothing to do with raising them should not be responsible for paying for them if they give up paternal rights and state they rather the child were aborted. THat would strike a fair balance with women wanting to have unfettered access to abortions against the father's wishes.
    Last edited by calamity; 09-14-13 at 02:33 PM.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Clearly, any man who is actually bearing the child should do as he pleases. Otherwise he should mind his own business.
    A man's child is his buisness.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes you did. You said it was a clump of cells. "Clump" has a definition. An organism is not a compacted mass, it has structure.

    A fingernail is a clump of cells, not an organism. A ZEF is an organism, not a clump of cells.

    When you call it a clump of cells you are necesseraly divorcing yourself from medical fact.


    Stop twisting.
    It is still a clump of cells.
    It has the potential to become more than a clump if not aborted soon enough, but it is still just a clump of cells in the beginning.
    You can even call it a mass of cells, which is the same thing.



    You aren't going to get anywhere with this bs Jerry, so you might as well cease.
    You don't like abortion, don't have one.
    You value life, get out of the killing business.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Taking a life must be justified. Not rationalized, justified. Any law which removes the inherant requierment for the taking of a life to first be justified undermines its own authority and is void.

    Elective abortion does not require justification, therefor elective abortion is murder.
    Wrong!
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Should a man have an absolute right to have his baby aborted?

    In the alternative, should he be granted relief from all legal responsibility if it is his clearly stated wish to abort but the woman decides not to?

    Let me preface my remarks with this disclaimer; I am Pro-Choice and I support a woman’s absolute right to choose to have an abortion for several reasons, including the fact it is the woman who must endure the pregnancy to carry the child to term, and then follows the lifelong responsibility to raise and care for any child born.

    The dilemma occurs when the woman unilaterally decides to have the baby, even when the male does not wish to accept that long-term responsibility.

    In a recent news report, a young man was so desperate not to have a child that he tricked his girlfriend into taking a morning after pill. Now I do not support or condone this action, but it does bring up the thesis issue for me…why does the male partner have no say in a decision to keep the baby?

    When a woman makes the unilateral decision to keep the baby this then compels lifelong legal and emotional obligations on the part of the unwilling father. This creates resentment and recriminations in both parties. By attempting to force the man to marry and/or support both her and the child this only serves to create a negative environment for all concerned, especially for any child to grow up in.

    Since we now have a simple method of aborting in the early stages of the first trimester, without needing an invasive surgery, why should the absolute choice to keep the baby reside with the mother? If it does, why can’t the man be legally relieved of further responsibility to both parties?

    I have offered several voting options, please pick and then explain what do you think? I am especially interested in arguments for why the woman has the sole right to keep the child while making the man permanently responsible.
    Of course he NEVER gets to force the woman abort or give birth, its that simple thats not even debatable.

    but having said that i picked "No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility."

    and i have talked about this many times.


    just like i think RvW should be 21 weeks i think the guy should have a choice to be involved up until say 18 weeks to give the woman an extra 3.

    also the man has to be notified immediately, if not of course his decision time limited is extended and does take place until he is notified.

    the laws are severely one sided in this equation but the reality they will never be balanced, they simply can be, its impossible. But they can be better and moved close to balanced.
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