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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

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  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The woman's choice is just that, her choice. She bears the burden of carrying the child and in the case that she doesn't feel the need to terminate the pregnancy, for whatever reason, the equal participant in creating that child should not be able to simply stroll away without a lick of responsibility. I don't think many who support your position fully realize the implications of allowing such a thing to happen.
    Yet you argue that a woman gets to walk away without a lick of responsibility by aborting a fetus she doesn't want.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think the man should be given enough time to make that decision before a certain point in the pregnancy so she can decide if she's going to continue the pregnancy on her own, or abort it, or have it and put it up for adoption. He has his rights, she has her rights and they need to be equal.
    Right, I agree. Up to the end of the first trimester is the arbitrary line I'd set.

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The woman's choice is just that, her choice. She bears the burden of carrying the child and in the case that she doesn't feel the need to terminate the pregnancy, for whatever reason, the equal participant in creating that child should not be able to simply stroll away without a lick of responsibility. I don't think many who support your position fully realize the implications of allowing such a thing to happen.
    Nobody is going to say that the woman should be forced to abort. What some of us are saying is that the man should have a legal avenue to absolve himself of obligation, should a woman decide to carry to term against a man's wishes. If she wants to do that with the full knowledge that the child is hers and hers alone, so be it. Otherwise, you force not only an economic burden on a man, but a moral hazard insofar that she could keep this baby for the purposes of "trapping" a man against his will.

    Choice is choice. It seems like too many people here support a woman's choice, but not a man's.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Right, I agree. Up to the end of the first trimester is the arbitrary line I'd set.
    It has to be a set amount of time to make the decision from the time he is informed of the pregnancy.
    Otherwise you would just have women who wouldn't inform the guy until after the time limit had passed.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, you are right. Birth control pills have side effects for some women. That is really beside the point. If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, there are a number of ways that she can avoid it. If she is negligent with her body, then it is something that she will have to deal with later.
    I'm just arguing that the mean have responsibilities also.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    but it is her body
    And she should not be able to force responsibility onto a man for her choice of keeping.


    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The woman's choice is just that, her choice. She bears the burden of carrying the child and in the case that she doesn't feel the need to terminate the pregnancy, for whatever reason, the equal participant in creating that child should not be able to simply stroll away without a lick of responsibility. I don't think many who support your position fully realize the implications of allowing such a thing to happen.
    She has the right of choice to abort or not without a lick of responsibility.
    The man should have a right that is just as effective.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm just arguing that the mean have responsibilities also.
    They do, but on this issue, since the woman has all the rights, I believe the primary responsibility lies on her shoulders. People want to have it both ways, and have their cake and eat it too. This is one of those issues where men can really get screwed, and have no say in the matter whatsoever.

    I realize that being a woman, I'm "supposed" to look at this from a woman's point of view, but before I am a woman, I am a human, and I can see that men really are at a disadvantage on this issue. Since women neglect to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancies, I encourage men to take care of the birth control issue themselves, but that's because it is the intelligent thing to do.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    No, he should not have the right to force a woman to abort, nor to force her to carry the child to term.

    He should have the right to absolve all legal responsibility towards the child if he doesn't want to raise it. It's only fair. We give women plenty of ways out of being a mother if she gets pregnant and doesn't want to be. A man should have the same option.

    There would need to be some sort of time limit put in place, so if the woman didn't want to raise the baby alone she could abort it. Give him 30 days from the day that he is informed that he got someone pregnant to make his decision and inform the court/mother of his decision. That way, assuming she tells him as soon as she finds out, she'll have time to make her decision after she finds out his.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I wanted to give a couple of people a chance to respond before I put my two cents in. For my own part, I don't believe a man should dictate to a woman how to deal with her own body. I agree with Lizzie, the responsibility for her own body is uniquely the woman's. However, I believe that a unilateral choice should have unilateral consequences. Therefore, if the male does not wish to have a child and he makes his decision plain, he should be allowed to legally opt-out of all further responsibility (and thus all future parental rights) at some point in the process.
    I sense a bit of a back story to your view. In another thread you think a woman should be prepared to deal with a pregnancy every time she spreads her thighs so I'd say a guy can't just opt out. He knew there might be a baby created if he hops on board.

    But I have to wonder just how much of a real issue this is. I know several 'sperm donors' who signed away their parental rights and avoided child support payments (not sure that works with the State if the mommy is on the public dole)

    Does anyone know how many one night stands, tricked boyfriends, are slaves to a mommy dearest....

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It has to be a set amount of time to make the decision from the time he is informed of the pregnancy.
    Otherwise you would just have women who wouldn't inform the guy until after the time limit had passed.
    That's on her then. She has the burden of providing opportunity. If she denies it to the man, she is in turn deprived of it herself.

    Obviously this would bring up grey areas, but if you set up a firm backdrop, you'd have less pregnant women trying to game the system. We get that enough with welfare.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The woman's choice is just that, her choice. She bears the burden of carrying the child and in the case that she doesn't feel the need to terminate the pregnancy, for whatever reason, the equal participant in creating that child should not be able to simply stroll away without a lick of responsibility. I don't think many who support your position fully realize the implications of allowing such a thing to happen.
    I see you are speaking from your vast experience as a woman....OH! Sorry, you are NOT a woman.

    You seem to forget that a woman controls her body absolutely, which is the foundation of my support for her absolute right to choose. The man at worst is merely a sperm donor (although at best a loving mate). If the woman may make the unilateral choice to have a baby knowing the full consequences of such a choice then she should also have the unilateral responsibility of living with that choice if the man opposes marriage and family.

    Foisting a lifelong obligation on a man for a single act of passion means that YOU don't realize the implications which are clearly evident in many negative examples throughout our society. The anger and resentment display themselves in abusive marital relationships, child emotional and physical abuse, alcoholism, and so on. Part of the woman's decision should be based on cognizanse that the male may NOT accept (or be required to accept) the burden she is choosing to bear. That way an informed rather than a emotional decision can be reached by all parties.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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