View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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Thread: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    It is completely relevant. Children are not born in a vacuum. A child has to deal with the mother's emotions about the disinterested father, her own second thoughts about having a baby under such circumstances, and the child's own emotions about having a father who wants no part of it. Something NONE would have to deal with if the woman made an informed decision to accept full and sole responsibility for that decision.
    Said child is suffering anyway from having a biological father who wants no part in their life. It doesn't benefit that child to also take away their financial support. It only benefits the man. Again, the needs of the child outweigh the needs of the man.
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse
    The child will get all the support it needs from the parent who chose to bring it into the world...alone. That should be a part of her decision making process, can she do it on her own. If not, then abort. Or if she is and has always been Pro-Life, have no sex until marriage.
    The same holds true for men ... if you want to make absolutely certain you don't have a child, don't have sex until marriage.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Ok, I understand you are not pro-life. Just pro-deadbeat parenting, ie pro total abandonment of a man's own child if the woman won't do what he demands of her. In reality that then isn't just his demanding she abort, but any demand he wants to make about anything.

    What do you thin, in general, are a father's ethical responsibility towards his own children? Apparently you think it is only $$$.
    it is a clump of cells so there is no other responsibility to a clump of cells at this time other than money. the cells are not a person to current law.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    In the USA abortion is not legal without limits.
    Sorry, you are wrong. Some states have set limits but the federal allowance of pregnancy if for complete and outright abortion at any time before delivery.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I personally think it's the woman's responsibility to make sure that she doesn't get pregnant since it is her body, and solely her choice when it comes to the future of the baby.
    It takes two to tango. Both parties have the responsibility of making sure that the woman doesn't get pregnant.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But the reason for that is because the woman has to deal with a "procedure" on her body no matter what choice is made. The man does not have that burden.
    It is understood why it came about. The ruling then allows her to arbitrarily decide if he should be burdened. That is neither fair or right. Especially when she is allowed not to burden herself if she so chooses.
    She should not be able to make a decision that burdens him. That is wrong.
    Which is why he should have the same effective right.


    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Wow! This poll is a window into the soul of our society. Having the majority believe that the most important objective is to relieve one self from the natural consequence and the responsibility for an act that they freely engaged in is telling. with the truly defenseless and innocent paying the price. God help us all!
    There is no g_d involved here, nor should there be.
    Times change. Laws need to keep up with the changes.


    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Any man who doesn't want to be responsible for a baby should avoid engaging in activity that produces babies.

    Pretty simple, eh?
    What is even simpler would be making the woman 100% responsible for the outcome of what she allows into her body.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    It takes two to tango. Both parties have the responsibility of making sure that the woman doesn't get pregnant.
    We are past that point.
    She is pregnant and presently gets to arbitrarily decide whether or not to burden the man. Which is wrong and unfair
    Giving the man an effective right removes the unfairness.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Here comes the trying to divert every topic on abortion to "its a baby"... "not it's not".... "yes it is".... always to derail the topic.
    It always happens.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I like how Conservatives' feel abortion should not be allowed ... but once born, they want an option out of personal responsibility to raise the child.


    In all actuality, all you are doing is speaking partisan crap and injecting it where it doesn't belong.
    There are those on both sides of the isle that do not tow the line when it comes to this topic.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ummm, this is not about what's best for the man. It's about what's best for the child.
    No it isn't.
    It is about fairness and not allowing another to burden someone else by their decision.

    If it was about what was best for the clump of cells, under the prevalent train of thought, abortion would be disallowed except for a few reasons.
    But then again, who is to say that allowing a birth to occur is what is best for the clump of cells? You?


    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    As I said, the needs of the child outweigh the needs of the man.
    They shouldn't.
    This is nothing but a line of thought that will of course change with time.

    If this planet ever becomes over populated for the resources left, you can be guaranteed that society, through the law, will make abortion mandatory in many cases.
    Which of course will be touted as what is best for the clump of cells.





    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    But it's not in the childs best interest ...
    A line of thought that needs to change is all that is.
    And it will given sufficient time.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    She should NEVER allow a male to engage in sexual activity unless she is fully protected by both his "sock" and her contraceptives.
    ....or a wedding ring. Just saying there's no need to act like a slut.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It is understood why it came about. The ruling then allows her to arbitrarily decide if he should be burdened. That is neither fair or right. Especially when she is allowed not to burden herself if she so chooses.
    She should not be able to make a decision that burdens him. That is wrong.
    Which is why he should have the same effective right.
    Wrong. Both parties involved "burdened" themselves when they had sex and took the risk. One is not more innocent in this than the other.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It is understood why it came about. The ruling then allows her to arbitrarily decide if he should be burdened. That is neither fair or right. Especially when she is allowed not to burden herself if she so chooses.
    She should not be able to make a decision that burdens him. That is wrong.
    Which is why he should have the same effective right.


    There is no g_d involved here, nor should there be.
    Times change. Laws need to keep up with the changes.






    What is even simpler would be making the woman 100% responsible for the outcome of what she allows into her body.


    We are past that point.
    She is pregnant and presently gets to arbitrarily decide whether or not to burden the man. Which is wrong and unfair
    Giving the man an effective right removes the unfairness.
    Nice of you to address my prayer rather than the substance of what I said related to the issue of responsibility. But in respect to your ChrisL response, I believe you are under the mistaken impression that the only cost one can pay is financial, there are also long lasting emotional and psychological costs associated with abortion.

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