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Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    Votes: 3 3.4%

  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    Votes: 44 49.4%

  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    Votes: 18 20.2%

  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    Votes: 19 21.3%

  • I Don't Know.

    Votes: 5 5.6%
  • Total voters
    89
Phys251 said:
Apparently Cephus believes that responsibility only applies to women, not men.
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Apparently, you have zero reading comprehension.
 
Cephus said:
Funny how when you suggest women should have the same rights as men, you're progressive and pro-equality, but when you suggest that men should have the same rights as women, you're misogynistic and hateful.
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Men have just as much right to have an abortion as women do
 
sangha said:
and striped pajamas
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I proffer the orange jump suit, and I'll be able to trade it in for blue-jeans and the gray 'corrections' button-down in a couple years when I earn trustee status and get another construction job.
 
sangha said:
Men have just as much right to have an abortion as women do
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So why is this guy in jail then? All he did was abort his child. That should be protected under his right to financial privacy.
 
sangha said:
Please do
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Cephus said:
If you don't want to take care of a kid on your own for 18 years, keep your legs together. Problem solved.
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It's not that simple...Cephus.


We know that human sexual behaviors...are what they are.

Unintended consequences happen as a result of a sexual event...even when contraceptives are used. People aren't going to stop having sex. Unintended consequences are inevitable.

You know yourself that sex is perform many, many, many more times for pleasure than for procreate. That's not going to stop. Let's work within the confines of reality.

So...what would be a course of action OTHER THAN keeping peckers in pants and legs closed? Can we somehow strive to create better preventions of conceptions through technology, for instance?
 
sangha said:
Mail fraud and another (non-murder) charge.
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excuse me please sangha.

but you stated in the 14th that the unborn is not a "person"

can you explain to me, then how you have ALREADY determined that "no state" in the 14th ....means a "person" or a "business" then?
 
sangha said:
Mail fraud and another (non-murder) charge.
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You know what....I'm not going to complain about that one because that's the kind of thing that if you're going to do, you should be smart about it. It looks like this guy did a little research on the labels, but his final product was lacking. From the start he had or should have known that the prescription would come under close scrutiny.

If it were me, there would have been a "car accident" where I was driving and she was wearing her seat belt. The force of the collision would have caused a miscarriage and "it was a car accident" would have white-washed 99% of my motive away. Instead of over thinking the whole thing, I probably would have looked for a target of opportunity in normal driving.

Even if she thought it was on purpose, good luck proving it in court.
 
Jerry said:
You know what....I'm not going to complain about that one because that's the kind of thing that if you're going to do, you should be smart about it. It looks like this guy did a little research on the labels, but his final product was lacking. From the start he had or should have known that the prescription would come under close scrutiny.

If it were me, there would have been a "car accident" where I was driving and she was wearing her seat belt. The force of the collision would have caused a miscarriage and "it was a car accident" would have white-washed 99% of my motive away. Instead of over thinking the whole thing, I probably would have looked for a target of opportunity in normal driving.

Even if she thought it was on purpose, good luck proving it in court.
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The guy's dad was a pharmacist. He used his name to get the drugs. So I would have to guess that the guy might be very savvy on drugs in general.
 
Removable Mind said:
It's not that simple...Cephus.
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It actually IS that simple. I know because I've been abstinent for nearly 8 years now. All you have to do, is don't.

It's as easy as not hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.

The problem is it's to simple an idea to get across to a lot of people. Most folks look for complications. This is to simple. It's like telling a child to just not play video games; they can't imagine what else there could be to do with their time.
 
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Jerry said:
It actually IS that simple. I know because I've been abstinent for nearly 8 years now. All you have to do, is don't.

It's as easy as not hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.
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Jerry...I love it when people talk about "exceptions" rather than the "rule"...and then...try to make the "exceptions" sound like it is the rule...or better yet.."could be the rule".

So if you've been celibate for 8 years...what makes you think that other people should adopt your sexual behaviors or choice in how you conduct your sex life?

Believe me when I say this. YOU are, by in far, "the exception"...and, by in far, "not the rule" when it comes to human sexual behavior.

Now I can clearly respect that you've made that choice for YOURSELF...but I would in no way engage that lifestyle for myself...nor endorse or recommend it to others. That to me falls out of the "norm" for most people. I'm not sure what the health implications are...and they may be none, but ...it's your deal...groovy.
 
Cephus said:
Funny how when you suggest women should have the same rights as men, you're progressive and pro-equality, but when you suggest that men should have the same rights as women, you're misogynistic and hateful.
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Men do have the same rights as women. If they get pregnant, they have the choice to abort.
 
Removable Mind said:
So if you've been celibate for 8 years...what makes you think that other people should adopt your sexual behaviors or choice in how you conduct your sex life?
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I've had no unwanted pregnancies to deal with. Isn't that the whole point? To eliminate unwanted pregnancy?

Removable Mind said:
Believe me when I say this. YOU are, by in far, "the exception"...and, by in far, "not the rule" when it comes to human sexual behavior.
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Obviously, otherwise we wouldn't be here talking about unwed pregnant teens and unwanted pregnancies and men poisoning their pregnant girlfriends and etc.

Removable Mind said:
Now I can clearly respect that you've made that choice for YOURSELF...but I would in no way engage that lifestyle for myself...nor endorse or recommend it to others. That to me falls out of the "norm" for most people. I'm not sure what the health implications are...and they may be none, but ...it's your deal...groovy.
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I never thought of it as being a "lifestyle", but I guess it is a lifestyle in the same way that having a same-sex BF is a "lifestyle". It's not like I can't have relationships, I just don't have sex.

When I think of "lifestyle" I think of the difference between having a house and a job locally, or living out of the sleeper-cab of an 18 wheeler traveling the country non-stop. Those are contrasting life styles, not simply declining to have sex.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Men do have the same rights as women. If they get pregnant, they have the choice to abort.
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We becomes socially and financially pregnant when the woman is medically pregnant. Our using illegal means to abort is no different than a back-ally abortion.
 
Jerry said:
I've had no unwanted pregnancies to deal with. Isn't that the whole point? To eliminate unwanted pregnancy?


Obviously, otherwise we wouldn't be here talking about unwed pregnant teens and unwanted pregnancies and men poisoning their pregnant girlfriends and etc.


I never thought of it as being a "lifestyle", but I guess it is a lifestyle in the same way that having a same-sex BF is a "lifestyle". It's not like I can't have relationships, I just don't have sex.

When I think of "lifestyle" I think of the difference between having a house and a job locally, or living out of the sleeper-cab of an 18 wheeler traveling the country non-stop. Those are contrasting life styles, not simply declining to have sex.
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Wake me up when your perfect fantasy world is a reality...Jerry.
 
Removable Mind said:
Wake me up when your perfect fantasy world is a reality...Jerry.
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Time to wake up, because I've had no unwanted pregnancies in the last 8 years. Considering my history, that's pretty damn good.
 
Jerry said:
That never happened.
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Suuuure, uh-huh ... keep telling yourself that ... :roll:

sangha: "The unborn are not a person"

Jerry: "If that were true then this man would not have been convicted of murder. He would have been convicted of some kind of tampering charge or assault on the mother."​

There you are, saying it's true.
 
ChrisL said:
Yes, the man made a fully informed decision just as much as the female did when he agreed to have sex. Neither party is more innocent than the other, and you are trying to place more responsibility on the female because of biological factors which cannot be changed or controlled. There is no 100% effective form of birth control, so if you don't want to accept responsibility for your actions then you should not sleep with any females unless you are married to them and keep your penis safely inside your trousers. :)
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Yeah, we see how well that "abstinance" preaching works. It is also dishonest, because you well know that the female has absolute power over her body in a voluntary encounter. This has been pointed out to you by your own female peers.

NOTHING can happen with your body unless YOU agree to it. That means that if you are engaging in recreational sex it is your duty to require contraception. There will be men who try to "guilt" you into ignoring such a requirement, so what? If you insist and they reject you then tell them "goodbye" since they were not worth sleeping with in the first place and you just dodged a bullet. However, the majority of men will shrug and agree, even if it means going out and finding an open store to buy some. It is your body, you live in it....males are only visitors. Thus, your body, your rules or no visitation privileges. Simple as that.

ChrisL said:
This is irrelevant because it does absolutely nothing to address the problems of irresponsibility. You are just transferring it from the father/mother to the rest of society. Women and men are still going to have sex, and children are going to result from these unions. It's best that you charge the parents who created the life with the responsibility.

And if you think about, the woman who would want to keep the baby is actually accepting the responsibility for her actions, whereas you want to be able to absolve the man of the same responsibilities that result from his irresponsible behavior. Your claims and your arguments are just bogus.
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Again, your own female peers have rightly addressed these issues. They point out your arguments are bogus. :)
 
Jerry said:
Time to wake up, because I've had no unwanted pregnancies in the last 8 years. Considering my history, that's pretty damn good.
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Well, I haven't had a drink of booze in 27 years..thus no DWI's...no waking up in jail...no drunk and disorderlies, no beating the **** out of my neighbors because they complain I'm annoying them...no making other people's live miserable...etc, etc, etc...

But I'm not going to recommend you stop drinking.
 
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