View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You're actually arguing over a word, sorry.
    A clump of cells is not a child.

    Is it something I am arguing with you, or him?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Both individuals are ultimately responsible for the outcome so both should use birth control. If a man chooses to "trust" the woman that is a mistake he is responsible for just like all of us, as adults, are responsible for errors in our judgment.
    As previously pointed out.
    Birth does not come from sex even a majority of time.
    So they were just having sex.

    And while a contraceptive is indicative of not wanting a child, it is not a necessity.

    The responsibility thing should only come after and declaring it, like it does for her. Which you are not recognizing.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wouldn't it be more fair if he was given roughly the same about of time she theoretically had also?
    Ideally yes, but here's the problem with that. I believe that elective abortion should be limited to 20 weeks and earlier. And regardless of how late abortion is legal, the earlier it's done the safer it is. If you also give the guy 20 weeks to make his decision, then the woman will no longer be able to abort if he decides not to help her raise the child. If we give him 30 days, then that means if she tells him as soon as she finds out she's pregnant (generally around week 5) then he'll have to give her an answer around week 9, and she'll still have plenty of time to schedule an abortion if she decides she doesn't want to raise the child alone.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Ideally yes, but here's the problem with that. I believe that elective abortion should be limited to 20 weeks and earlier. And regardless of how late abortion is legal, the earlier it's done the safer it is. If you also give the guy 20 weeks to make his decision, then the woman will no longer be able to abort if he decides not to help her raise the child. If we give him 30 days, then that means if she tells him as soon as she finds out she's pregnant (generally around week 5) then he'll have to give her an answer around week 9, and she'll still have plenty of time to schedule an abortion if she decides she doesn't want to raise the child alone.
    It seems you are looking at this as more about informing her of his choice so she can consider it, rather than it simply being about his being able to choose. While I support them both considering the others choice in a final decision. It should not be part of the final requirement to his being given, and making, a choice.

    She does not, as it is, have to tell him at any stage now, so neither should he have to tell her in a specified amount of time shorter than the amount of time she had to decide.
    As far as I am concerned, her choice needs to be independent of his choice, just as her's is now independent. That is what freedom of choice is.

    While it would be nice that she knew before she decided, and it most likely would end up that way the vast majority of the time, her choice should not be dependent on his choice, or vise versa.

    Even though 60 days sounds okay to me, I believe some guys may need more time. So as previously suggested, 90 days (one trimester) from the time he is advised about the pregnancy or birth, is a fair amount of time. She has roughly the same amount of time, if not more.
    This also solves the problem that she may not tell him of the pregnancy in a timely fashion to influence his decision or outcome, and pretty much ensures that she will tell him in a timely manner if she wants to consider his decision.

    And yes, that also means that if she informed him late, or even after she chose to give birth, he would still have 90 days, as his choice should be independent of hers.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I was almost with you up until the underlined part. I'm confused there....so if a woman lies in order to get pregnant you're saying that's a perfectly acceptable method of force-starting a family?? You do realize that using a condom is not 100% certain, right? Beyond that, as Lizzie point's out, the WOMAN is in charge of her body and can REQUIRE a man to put protection on right?

    This should be especially true of any woman who is Pro-Life! She should NEVER allow a male to engage in sexual activity unless she is fully protected by both his "sock" and her contraceptives. IMO No one should expect a moment of passion to become a lifetime of hatred and recrimination.
    Well people always say that if a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, the only 100% way to not end up pregnant is to not have sex. The same goes for the male. IOW, you'd better make sure you REALLY like the person you're bedding down with.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    What if the woman is against abortion, or the man? All of these ideas SOUND good in theory, but there are too many complicating factors involved.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The child will need it.

    We do not punish children for their mother's sins.
    we should make irresponsible breeding a significant stigma rather than sticking the tax payers with paying for the upbringing of such children. and if you make those who do such things pay heavily rather than subsidizing their decision, we won't have nearly as many unwanted children or children of the irresponsible

    I am tired with being told I have an unlimited duty to fund the decisions of others



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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    TD...since when does the pill protect against pregnancy 100% why take that chance? But the real deal is...in your scenario...if the guy just jumps in bed with someone that he has to ask if she is protected...why isn't he protecting himself from at least STD's if he not worried about the possibility of pregnancy?
    Not the issue



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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Not the issue
    Well the man has to take responsibility too. He is just as responsible, as he is also QUITE aware of the little bundle of joy that can result from a sexual tryst.

    I think that is the idea with the laws as they stand now. Don't want to be responsible, keep it in your pants.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well the man has to take responsibility too. He is just as responsible, as he is also QUITE aware of the little bundle of joy that can result from a sexual tryst.

    I think that is the idea with the laws as they stand now. Don't want to be responsible, keep it in your pants.

    well if a woman has an unlimited ability to abort the pregnancy even if the man is willing to pay for the the child, the man ought to have a right to opt out of that financial burden



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