View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are doing nothing but speaking and arguing emotion.

    It is pointless because she is full of double speak as what she says applies to men and but not women as Henrin pointed out.

    It is pointless because she speaks of responsibility of how the pregnancy came about, which is irrelevant to the fact of where we are at, that a woman gets to choose whether or not to burden herself as well as the man with the raising of a child.
    She should only get to choose to burden herself, and not the other. She should not be able to choose for him.
    He should be able to choose just like she does whether or not he wants that burden.


    Under the system you prefer, she would not get this choice either. But that is not the way it is.

    Under the current system she does get to choose, so the man should also be able to choose whether or not he wants the burden and not have it forced on him by her. That is equality.

    Continue the lie all you want, but the fact is that upon birth the woman and man both have equal legal responsibility.

    You have, in my opinion, the twisted view that is about the man and the woman. It's not. It's about the child once born. You absolutely OPPOSE equality of parenting obligations in relation to the child.

    If the man wants the woman to have the child, certainly you agree the woman should should be able to require the man to medically undergo the same effects and risks as the pregnancy. To be injected with hormones. Required to drink impiac to make him throw up ever day. To insert an saline filled water bag in his stomach that is increasingly enlarged. Then when she goes into labor to give him drugs to cause extreme muscle retractions for hours, and finally to pull out the inflated bag thru a slit below his genitals smaller than the bag - because you believe there should be equality.

    You do want equality, right?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Opinion isn't context. Its a child from conseption. Thats just a medical fact. That you "disagree" means nothing. Go ahead and "disagree", that's like disagreeing that 1+1=2. Knock yourself out.
    Here comes the trying to divert every topic on abortion to "its a baby"... "not it's not".... "yes it is".... always to derail the topic.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    All men *do* have the right to have an abortion

    whenever they get pregnant

    Letting a man have any say over a womans right to choose to have an abortion is like allowing women to have a say over a man's right to have testicular cancer operated on
    True, and if he refused to abort to her demand that he abort, she is still absolutely legally and economically obligated to that child too. Thus, prefect equality already exists in such regards.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Continue the lie all you want,
    That would be you who is lying.
    First of all you are requoting what you already responded to, and not the reply given to that response.

    I did not say the things you attributed to me in the other reply.
    And when I asked "did I?", which is a challenge to you to prove these things you say I said. You deflect with this nonsense.

    So prove it. Show us all these lies you speak of. Or get on Jerry's truck.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It's about the child once born.
    No it is not.
    It is about giving the man the same right a woman has. An effective right to choose.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You absolutely OPPOSE equality of parenting obligations in relation to the child.
    No I do not when it is equally accepted by both.
    So stop spouting nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If the man wants the woman to have the child, certainly you agree the woman should should be able to require the man to medically undergo the same effects and risks as the pregnancy. To be injected with hormones. Required to drink impiac to make him throw up ever day. To insert an saline filled water bag in his stomach that is increasingly enlarged. Then when she goes into labor to give him drugs to cause extreme muscle retractions for hours, and finally to pull out the inflated bag thru a slit below his genitals smaller than the bag - because you believe there should be equality.

    You do want equality, right?
    More emotive irrelevant and ridiculous blather from you.
    None of that has anything with equality of choice, and you know damn well it doesn't.
    So stop with the nonsense.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Of course it is, because your position is untenable.
    So predictable.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yet you're granting her an out, while refusing to grant the man an out.
    As a man you accept the realities of the "out" that is available to you. You don't whine and run because you dropped the ball
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    As a man you accept the realities of the "out" that is available to you. You don't whine and run because you dropped the ball
    What if she lied to him about being on BC? Why should she be allowed to terminate her parenthood through abortion for any reason (unless it is restricted) while a man cannot? What about her "out" when equal to the man? I'm assuming the out you are referring to is the male using contraception or something to prevent pregnancy when they had sex.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong!
    You are disagreeing with medical science. It is not a child when it is just a clump of cells.
    You're actually arguing over a word, sorry.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    What if she lied to him about being on BC? Why should she be allowed to terminate her parenthood through abortion for any reason (unless it is restricted) while a man cannot? What about her "out" when equal to the man? I'm assuming the out you are referring to is the male using contraception or something to prevent pregnancy when they had sex.
    Both individuals are ultimately responsible for the outcome so both should use birth control. If a man chooses to "trust" the woman that is a mistake he is responsible for just like all of us, as adults, are responsible for errors in our judgment.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So predictable.
    Of course it is predictable.
    Because your position is untenable.

    It is pointless because [you are] full of double speak [by making what you say apply] to men and but not women, as Henrin pointed out.

    It is pointless because [you speak] of responsibility of how the pregnancy came about, which is irrelevant to the fact of where we are at, that a woman gets to choose whether or not to burden herself, as well as the man, with the raising of a child.
    She should only get to choose to burden herself, and not the other. She should not be able to choose for him.
    He should be able to choose just like she does whether or not he wants that burden.
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