View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    My argument though is theoretical, if women has choice so should men. I wish people were better too but they are not.
    Men do have a choice, it's just not legal.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    I've read at least three non-judgmental news stories this year about inner city fun seekers who have over thirty children. No problem.

    These are the sorts of questions and problems that plague an irresponsible, hypersexualized, no-judgments, it's all good, pop culture that has destroyed it's own moral compass, ridicules traditional values and worships the substitution of political correctness for reason and intelligence.
    Last edited by Ray410; 09-14-13 at 01:47 AM.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Men do have a choice, it's just not legal.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You don't need her permission to induce a miscarrage. If you're willing to kill your child, so much less of a crime is assult. One well placed punch will do it. You can wear a mask and change your clothes so she never knows its you. Hell she may even rely on you more after the fact for being there for her.

    Elective abortion is murder, so if elective abortion is an option then all lesser crimes are also options, and are even more palatable.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You don't need her permission to induce a miscarrage. If you're willing to kill your child, so much less of a crime is assult. One well placed punch will do it. You can wear a mask and change your clothes so she never knows its you. Hell she may even rely on you more after the fact for being there for her.

    Elective abortion is murder, so if elective is an option then all lesser crimes are also options, and are even more palatable.
    OK, I understand what you meant.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No. Pro-child.
    I would think we are all pro-child here.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I would think we are all pro-child here.
    That would mean everyone here opposes elective abortion, which means the dad would have no right to abort, either.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    This is pointless.
    You are correct in many regards:

    1. Obviously the men you are "debating" totally believe in being a deadbeat in terms of non-economic parental responsibilities.
    2. Obviously they will continue the lie that only men have financial duties for born children.
    3. Obviously they don't care about the child one iota.
    4. Obviously they want to be able to financially extort the woman to gain power over her - not just for abortion but in every possible way. "Do what I want or I'll abandon you and the child including economically.

    You are debating what used to be called male chauvinistic pigs too the extreme degree - arguing that if they can't make a woman do anything and everything they want - they can just abandon their family including their own children. SO extreme that while they have posted dozens to hundreds of messages how abortion is "killing an unborn baby" - if they can't have total power over the woman that is exactly what they want to be able to do - to kill their "unborn baby" (in their view of it) as a retaliation against the woman not being totally submissive in every way.

    There is no "debating" such a view and grotesque hypocrisy.

    Rather, just point out what they advocate in terms of what people recognize. They furiously want the right to be deadbeat and totally absentee biological fathers - the ultimate "deadbeat dad." All their words don't change the bottom line to their advocacy. There are many, many deadbeat dads and we're "debating" them or wannabe deadbeats.
    You are doing nothing but speaking and arguing emotion.

    It is pointless because she is full of double speak as what she says applies to men and but not women as Henrin pointed out.

    It is pointless because she speaks of responsibility of how the pregnancy came about, which is irrelevant to the fact of where we are at, that a woman gets to choose whether or not to burden herself as well as the man with the raising of a child.
    She should only get to choose to burden herself, and not the other. She should not be able to choose for him.
    He should be able to choose just like she does whether or not he wants that burden.


    Under the system you prefer, she would not get this choice either. But that is not the way it is.

    Under the current system she does get to choose, so the man should also be able to choose whether or not he wants the burden and not have it forced on him by her. That is equality.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Elective abortion is murder
    Really?
    Please point out the law that says it is.

    You want to call it killing. Go ahead. But it is not murder.
    As for terminating a clump of cells? I wouldn't even call that killing.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That would mean everyone here opposes elective abortion, which means the dad would have no right to abort, either.
    No, as I do not consider a clump of cells an actual child.
    Last edited by Excon; 09-14-13 at 02:07 AM.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No, as I do not consider a clump of cells and actual child.
    That's nice. Thanks for sharing.

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