View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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Thread: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    This is pointless.
    Of course it is, because your position is untenable.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Explain
    What is there to explain at this point? Lets review...

    Quote Originally Posted by you
    He did have a choice. He chose to have sex without a condom. His choice just comes before the pregnancy instead of after.
    Quote Originally Posted by you
    They are both responsible. That would be more evident if you read what I was responding too.
    If he already had a choice by having sex then it would follow that she also already had a choice by having sex and since as you say they should both be responsible you must therefore be pro-life.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So if you can't get what you want about abortion and women, then you want the right to abortions too? Obviously you are NOT pro-life and do NOT oppose abortion. Few men who claim the oppose abortion on the forum actually do oppose abortion.

    LITERALLY, if you can't get what you want, then your attitude is "ABORT IT!"

    Thus, the most bizarre and hypocritical claims over and over and over on the forum by the FAUX pro-life men. To declare "abortion is murder" - but also claim "IF SHE GETS TO KILL MY UNBORN BABY THEN I GET TO KILL MY UNBORN BABY TOO!!!"

    No, you're not against abortion. You don't care about the "child" - born or unborn. You're against not having power over women. And because you don't have it, you want the right to abortion you unborn baby. You're not even a little bit pro-life or opposed to abortion. Obviously.
    I am not pro-life. Again I have been clear. I believe that there should be restrictions on abortion when a fetus (or whatever it is) is viable. This means that I still agree with government allowing for abortions to occur when a fetus isn't viable. This position can't be considered pro-life, in the meta concept of it.

    But if you believe that a pregnancy is a "unborn baby" then the woman shouldn't get the choice either. Which would be equality! which I could logically see as valid but I could not support.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    This is pointless.
    You are correct in many regards:

    1. Obviously the men you are "debating" totally believe in being a deadbeat in terms of non-economic parental responsibilities.
    2. Obviously they will continue the lie that only men have financial duties for born children.
    3. Obviously they don't care about the child one iota.
    4. Obviously they want to be able to financially extort the woman to gain power over her - not just for abortion but in every possible way. "Do what I want or I'll abandon you and the child including economically.

    You are debating what used to be called male chauvinistic pigs too the extreme degree - arguing that if they can't make a woman do anything and everything they want - they can just abandon their family including their own children. SO extreme that while they have posted dozens to hundreds of messages how abortion is "killing an unborn baby" - if they can't have total power over the woman that is exactly what they want to be able to do - to kill their "unborn baby" (in their view of it) as a retaliation against the woman not being totally submissive in every way.

    There is no "debating" such a view and grotesque hypocrisy.

    Rather, just point out what they advocate in terms of what people recognize. They furiously want the right to be deadbeat and totally absentee biological fathers - the ultimate "deadbeat dad." All their words don't change the bottom line to their advocacy. There are many, many deadbeat dads and we're "debating" them or wannabe deadbeats.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    I am not pro-life. Again I have been clear. I believe that there should be restrictions on abortion when a fetus (or whatever it is) is viable. This means that I still agree with government allowing for abortions to occur when a fetus isn't viable. This position can't be considered pro-life, in the meta concept of it.

    But if you believe that a pregnancy is a "unborn baby" then the woman shouldn't get the choice either. Which would be equality! which I could logically see as valid but I could not support.
    Ok, I understand you are not pro-life. Just pro-deadbeat parenting, ie pro total abandonment of a man's own child if the woman won't do what he demands of her. In reality that then isn't just his demanding she abort, but any demand he wants to make about anything.

    What do you thin, in general, are a father's ethical responsibility towards his own children? Apparently you think it is only $$$.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Should a man have an absolute right to have his baby aborted?

    In the alternative, should he be granted relief from all legal responsibility if it is his clearly stated wish to abort but the woman decides not to?

    Let me preface my remarks with this disclaimer; I am Pro-Choice and I support a woman’s absolute right to choose to have an abortion for several reasons, including the fact it is the woman who must endure the pregnancy to carry the child to term, and then follows the lifelong responsibility to raise and care for any child born.

    The dilemma occurs when the woman unilaterally decides to have the baby, even when the male does not wish to accept that long-term responsibility.

    In a recent news report, a young man was so desperate not to have a child that he tricked his girlfriend into taking a morning after pill. Now I do not support or condone this action, but it does bring up the thesis issue for me…why does the male partner have no say in a decision to keep the baby?

    When a woman makes the unilateral decision to keep the baby this then compels lifelong legal and emotional obligations on the part of the unwilling father. This creates resentment and recriminations in both parties. By attempting to force the man to marry and/or support both her and the child this only serves to create a negative environment for all concerned, especially for any child to grow up in.

    Since we now have a simple method of aborting in the early stages of the first trimester, without needing an invasive surgery, why should the absolute choice to keep the baby reside with the mother? If it does, why can’t the man be legally relieved of further responsibility to both parties?

    I have offered several voting options, please pick and then explain what do you think? I am especially interested in arguments for why the woman has the sole right to keep the child while making the man permanently responsible.
    A man who wants his own child dead, is not a man at all.

    No, the man should not have a choice since the only abortions which should be occuring are those which are medicaly necessary.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Imagine this scenario

    guy hops into bed with girl

    guy says-are you protected

    Girl lies and says

    I am on the pill

    she gets pregnant

    now tell me why the guy should be on the hook for paternity
    The child will need it.

    We do not punish children for their mother's sins.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A man who wants his own child dead, is not a man at all.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The child will need it.

    We do not punish children for their mother's sins.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What is there to explain at this point? Lets review...





    If he already had a choice by having sex then it would follow that she also already had a choice by having sex and since as you say they should both be responsible you must therefore be pro-life.
    No. Pro-child.

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