View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I said nothing about the fathers morals, and certainly did not use the word "slut". Funny how your mind goes there

    And I have broken up with females. That doesn't mean that I lost all contact with them.

    And the father doesn't "deserve what he gets". What he does *NOT* get is the ability to shirk his responsibility to support any children he produces.
    My mind just "goes there," as you're talking disparagingly about men with sex lives you obviously don't "approve" of? Right, then.

    It's pretty common -- in fact I usually do it myself -- to have some period of no contact after a break-up, just for everyone's sanity. Standard, for me, is 3 to 6 months.

    Again, with this whole children as punishment thing. Whose well-being, exactly, are you protecting by encouraging families to be built on a foundation of resentment and punishment?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    My mind just "goes there," as you're talking disparagingly about men with sex lives you obviously don't "approve" of? Right, then.

    Again, with this whole children as punishment thing. Whose well-being, exactly, are you protecting by encouraging families to be built on a foundation of resentment and punishment?
    Please quote where I spoke disparagingly about men who bang random female strangers or admit you're wrong.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Please quote where I spoke disparagingly about men who bang random female strangers or admit you're wrong.
    You know you did, and I know you did, and if you want to play the intentionally dense, try-to-spin-your-opponent game, then that's you're own thing to live with. I will simply re-quote where you did for anyone who's just jumping in now.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If you're talking about some guy who bangs random female strangers he just met, I could see how that man could lose contact with the girl. However, by having sex with such women, he has demonstrated a lack of concern about the possible offspring he has created.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You know you did, and I know you did, and if you want to play the intentionally dense, try-to-spin-your-opponent game, then that's you're own thing to live with. I will simply re-quote where you did for anyone who's just jumping in now.
    Yes, I know that you think that quote is somehow derogatory and somehow the equivalent of "slut shaming" the man, but your complete inability to explain how it is in any way derogatory proves that you're seeing things that aren't there.

    So why don't you give it try? Explain which word, or sequence of words, demonstrates any type of moral judgement
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    That's how it worked for me. I hated the follow-ups...embarrassing, but necessary. As the saying goes. All else fails...follow the directions.
    Is a vasectomy 100 percent effective?

    Other than total abstinence, no method of birth control is 100 percent effective. In rare cases, it is possible for sperm to find its way across the void between the two blocked ends of the vas deferens. Called recanalization, it generally occurs within the first few months following vasectomy. However, the failure rate of vasectomy is very low. It has been used for many years as a means of sterilization and has a long track record as a safe and effective method of contraception.

    If dead or live sperm continue to appear in the semen samples, or if sperm are discovered after a period of sterility, a repeat vasectomy will be necessary.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You don't believe that, Bod...come on. Unilateral control...is here to stay until reproductive science develops a bit more, and it will.

    This isn't a simple solution. But really what you want to do is to create the unilateral switcharoo.
    I honestly don't see this as a unilateral turn around, it stays a unilateral decision... hers. Right now she has 100% power. If it changed to my way then she still has 100% power regarding a pregnancy.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    About anything.

    Is it the laws job to make sure that people have the opportunity to make the same decisions that other people get to make?

    Men get to make a decision about vasectomies. Should a women be able to decide if a man will have a vasectomy? Should a mother be able to renounce her responsibility to support her child because the father chose to not have a vasectomy, thereby making him fully responsible for supporting the child?
    There is no child if she has an abortion.

    She can't have vasectomy.
    Who said that she could?

    She doesn't have the power to have a vasectomy.
    Nor the biological ability...

    IOW, vasectomies *are* a fail-safe form of birth control, if the man chooses to follow the doctors orders
    Is a vasectomy 100 percent effective?

    Other than total abstinence, no method of birth control is 100 percent effective. In rare cases, it is possible for sperm to find its way across the void between the two blocked ends of the vas deferens. Called recanalization, it generally occurs within the first few months following vasectomy. However, the failure rate of vasectomy is very low. It has been used for many years as a means of sterilization and has a long track record as a safe and effective method of contraception.

    If dead or live sperm continue to appear in the semen samples, or if sperm are discovered after a period of sterility, a repeat vasectomy will be necessary.

    Vasectomy

    So much for your "women have all the power" nonsense
    Does the man have any power to force the woman to have an abortion once pregnancy occurs? No. That is right, becasue she has all the power. Deal with it.

    They have to say that in order to support their beliefs. 99 times out of 100, beliefs trump fact
    Fortunately mine can exist at the same time as one and the same...
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    It's simple, they remove tissue from inside your scrotum...and close off the upper tube. Then it's lightly looped. The lower portion is left to roam free as a bird. The old method they removed about an inch or more of tube...tied the top very tightly. But sometime...they don't tie the upper enough...and sperm can make its way through the tube. Not when it's been completely covered and the scrotum tissue actually will fuse and seal off the upper part.

    No biggie.
    Doesn't sound simple to me...

    Well, the reality is...there is no way to make it an equal deal. Not yet, some day, but not today. Life just isn't fair. Gawd, I know that is hard to hear. But it'll have to do for now.
    Agreed that it is and can't really be equal but that is no reason to make it a lopsided 100% to 0% victory for her...
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    A man has an absolute right not to engage in sexual intercourse with a woman.
    Unless of course they steal the semen from the garbage and have a Dr and a lawyer in thier pocket. Then they get a slave for 20 years.
    (this happened to a few basketball players)
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Unless of course they steal the semen from the garbage and have a Dr and a lawyer in thier pocket. Then they get a slave for 20 years.
    (this happened to a few basketball players)
    Lesson to be learned.
    Do not leave semen in a public trash can.
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