View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    What?

    All I think is that men should be allowed to make their own decisions. I honestly don't care what she does, so long as she isn't trying to force anyone else to do her wishes.

    Daddy has to support the baby, but apparently mommy doesn't. Mommy can do whatever she wants with it, but you don't think the man has any say at all.
    That is a totally false statement AND YOU KNOW IT. Women who do not primary custody/conservatorship 100% have to pay child support on 100% exactly the same basis for determining the amount required.

    Overall, by law, once a child is born there is NO distinction in law between the man or the woman in legal rights or obligations.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Wow, what a BIZARRE TWIST OF REASONING. To claim that because rotten deadbeat fathers don't pay child support and the children don't like that, then the solution is to make EVERYONE a deadbeat dad.

    Why not argue that because rape upsets women, then the solution is to legalize non-consensual sex thereby eliminating "rape."

    The claim in your link is absurd. The child won't like having a deadbeat dad - whether or not being a deadbeat parent is legalized. Not many little children read the statutes of the Family Code. Not requiring child support would not eliminate a deadbeat father being a deadbeat father. That makes as much sense as saying no one is troubled anymore by adultery because it is no longer illegal.
    (SIGH) RM kept asking for an example of "legislation," but I am not writing one. As I explained over and over this is a hypothetical discussion about an existing inequity.

    I discovered quite by accident that there are groups actually working on the issue. If you want more information google "male abortion" and see what comes up.

    Meanwhile, you have offered nothing but the same fallacies I pointed out in my recent post on the issue. When you offer something I think needs a response I will as you've seen me do.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is a totally false statement AND YOU KNOW IT. Women who do not primary custody/conservatorship 100% have to pay child support on 100% exactly the same basis for determining the amount required.

    Overall, by law, once a child is born there is NO distinction in law between the man or the woman in legal rights or obligations.
    It's a completely true statement. She can relinquish her parental rights, can she not? Again, have you forgotten about adoption?

    There is an enormous distinction. The woman can do virtually anything. The man can do virtually nothing.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Stop being irrational....
    As you are the one being so... Your comment applies to you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Neither should be able to. No pregnancy should be aborted except for medical necessity. Neither the man nor the woman should be able to opt out. That's fair to all 3 people involved, not just the mother and father.
    Neither should be he says!
    More irrationality... and showing your claims that that consent to sex is consent to have a child, was nothing other than the manifestations of your irrational thoughts. Not something that is universal or even accepted. And definitely not law.

    One is allowed that is the way it is.
    As that is the way it is, it needs to be equalized so the man has the same option. That is rational.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    What?

    All I think is that men should be allowed to make their own decisions. I honestly don't care what she does, so long as she isn't trying to force anyone else to do her wishes.

    Daddy has to support the baby, but apparently mommy doesn't. Mommy can do whatever she wants with it, but you don't think the man has any say at all.
    If mom keeps the baby........mom and dad support the baby.

    If mom wants to adopt out the baby she needs the fathers approval.

    If the mother wants to adopt the baby out and the father wants to keep the baby, is that not allowable?

    If the dad keeps the baby, would the mother not be on the hook for child support?

    Please tell me if I am wrong.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Wow, seriously? Your response to this is "he should have been more careful"?

    I'm starting to understand what all the fuss about "slut shaming" is all about.
    No, my point is that sex is high stakes. It is a wonderful intimate part of our lives, but high stakes. Folks should know that pregnancy and life threatening STDs can be part of that union.

    So being careful with your partner, protecting yourselves from unwanted STD/pregnancy is part of the deal.

    But the bottom line is that both have to live with the consequences of their actions.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    If mom keeps the baby........mom and dad support the baby.

    If mom wants to adopt out the baby she needs the fathers approval.

    If the mother wants to adopt the baby out and the father wants to keep the baby, is that not allowable?

    If the dad keeps the baby, would the mother not be on the hook for child support?

    Please tell me if I am wrong.
    First one's right.

    Second two are both wrong.

    If the mother wants to give the baby away, she doesn't need anyone's approval. All she has to do is not tell who the father is, that way they can't try to get his permission. That simple.

    I am fairly sure the woman would not be allowed to relinquish the baby to the father. Now, before you tell me things are therefore "fair," keep in mind that the woman has an extremely easy way to get around that, which I mentioned above.

    If she remained a legal parent, yes, but again, see above. It's ridiculously easy for her to avoid that.

    What we have right now is a system that practically encourages women to find loopholes.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    No, my point is that sex is high stakes. It is a wonderful intimate part of our lives, but high stakes. Folks should know that pregnancy and life threatening STDs can be part of that union.
    I agree with this...

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    But the bottom line is that both have to live with the consequences of their actions.
    ... but I don't agree with this, because it's not true. When a woman becomes pregnant, she still has options; the man doesn't. And like all inequities of power, this leads to exploitation and abuse.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yes, she can. She can sign that baby over, someone will take it away to be put up for adoption, and she will have no further obligation towards it. Happens every day.

    Why is he beholden to her demands, where she isn't even beholden to the child?
    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Uh, yeah, they are. Again, it's called giving up a child for adoption.
    If the father objects, the court will not allow her to give the kid up for adoption
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    So if neither "parent" has any legal or moral obligations to the ZEF, how does a man become obligated to the ZEF when it is born?
    Because a born baby is a person



    There is, however, a fundamental human liberty to make your own reproductive choices.
    And men have that liberty
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