View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do you then advocate letting the child die?
    I advocate restriction on abortion once a child is viable and until then, the father gets to abort too. I am egalitarian and if women gets to "choose" then so do men. Plus, the pro-choice side doesn't see it as a child. They see it as a clump of cells and they see it, falsely but I will use the argument here, that it is the woman body. So for pro-choice people, the man isn't aborting his responsibility to a child, he is aborting his responsibility to cells.

    Further, if a pregnancy is a child, then abortion is murder and your argument is false from the other-side and women shouldn't be able to abort at all.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You don't need to be condescending. But no, it is not that simple and all the responsibility should not be placed on the women.
    She has a the right to choose as it is. Which she is responsible for.
    The man should have the same option.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Explain to me why I should have to pay for THEIR child - since that is your claim UNLESS you advocate killing the child if abandoned by both.
    You shouldn't. So work/lobby to get the laws changed.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    As a republican, this is a silly argument. You are not paying for the child. You are paying taxes. Taxes you will need to pay even if any single pregnancy doesn't results in a child. Child insurance coverage, child education, child WIC, child welfare will exist even if any singular pregnancy exists or not.
    And that is as stupid a response as possible. It really is absurd for you to claim that the cost of 1 child and 1,000,000 children is the same. I AM paying for the child via taxes.

    Nor is it the pregnancy that requires taxes. IT IS DEADBEAT PARENTS - the majority fo which are DEADBEAT MEN - that requires the tax money - and all the other problems that come with child who are abandoned by their parents like higher crime rates. The bastard child you claim you get to make and then dump on society so you got your free 15 minutes of toe curling is who will burglarize my house.

    I despise deadbeat parents and any sicko rationalizations they make for it. They are the ULTIMATE meaning of being immoral scum who should live in prisons.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is as false as it gets. The woman has as much "financial responsibility" as the man after birth.

    Explain to me why I should have to pay for THEIR child - since that is your claim UNLESS you advocate killing the child if abandoned by both. Why do you claim I should have to pay for their child? Explain that to me.
    I have no idea how you managed to get that bit of idiocy out of what I posted. A woman has the absolute legal right to terminate the pregnancy whether the man wants it or not

    that is the law

    I don't think the woman has a right to stick the man with paternity duties if he is willing to pay for the abortion and it was an unwanted pregnancy



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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    This issue is deeply complicated and there are far too many variables to come up with some black and white solution. Especially if that solution gets men off the hook and burdens the woman with everything. The only thing that allowing men more freedom to "opt out" is likely to accomplish is men practicing even less self control and taking less responsibility then they already do.

    Since it is impossible to determine if a man got tricked, or whose birth control failed or who fooled whom etc. We are forced to deal with the reality. If a man sleeps with a woman and a woman sleeps with a man both are responsible for the outcome. Both should know the risks before they make the choice to jump into bed. If she says she has birth control use something anyway, if you as a man chose not to then you are stuck with the results, including her decision not to abort. Women, make your man use a condom unless you want to be forced to make this decision; or if you decide not to know where he stands on the issue. This is real life not the playground. Be grown-ups.

    Side note:
    It's odd to me how so many of you talk about personal responsibility ALL the time, but somehow on this issue that principle just goes out the window. We call that situational ethics BTW.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You shouldn't. So work/lobby to get the laws changed.
    No, the law does require parents have at least financial responsibility for the child(ren) they make. What is being advocated is eliminating those laws on behalf of wannabe deadbeat men.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    it certainly is the same to consenting to the possibility of pregnancy. The way men look at this is totally skewed because they do not get pregnant. The man is responsble for taking every precaution for making certain that those swimmers don't make it if he does not keep them in wraps than he is consenting to any obligations that result form sex.
    The only view that seems skewed here is yours. If it is possible she didn't consent to pregnancy by consenting to sex than it is also possible that he didn't consent to pregnancy by consenting to sex. If either party didn't take precautions does not mean that they consented to pregnancy, but simply that they failed to take steps to avoid it.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    We are forced to deal with the reality.
    The reality is that she gets to choose. Her choice should not burden the man.
    So he should have an effective right of choice also.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    She has a the right to choose as it is. Which she is responsible for.
    The man should have the same option.
    As is always obvious ... the radical prolife men of the forum not only become pro-choice - but pro-forced-abortions IF ANY possible obligation of an unwanted pregnancy lands on them.

    Thus, you rage AGAINST abortion in terms of the woman - and then rage FOR abortions in terms of the man. At least you pro-life men are consistent in your total hypocrisy.

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