View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I am always curious about the "vandalized" condom stories. If the condom breaks when it is put on - don't penetrate. It is really that simple. If you are relying on condoms she bought? Why? You don't buy her birth control. why do you let her buy your condoms?
    Wow, seriously? Your response to this is "he should have been more careful"?

    I'm starting to understand what all the fuss about "slut shaming" is all about.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    When the baby is born, I am concerned with his/her rights to be supported. Why is that so difficult to understand?

    I think it is disgusting and abhorrent that a woman would sabotage the man. I am not sure if their are legal remedies. Can the sabotages be proven? A many would have every right to be angry. How does he know that there was "turkey basting" or heating or pin pricks? Did the woman acknowledge it?

    But again, my primary concern is for the child and the support of the child.
    In one case I know of, yes, she did actually admit it. I also know of a case of a man admitting it after he got her pregnant.

    However, in many cases they don't, and I have no trouble accepting that they were "oopsed" because I have a good understanding of the situation, and I'm not going to explain that here.

    The way I know how they do it is, well... Google it. Plenty of people admit to doing this to their partners. It's actually way more common than people think.

    You're concerned with the child's rights, as long as the woman doesn't have to provide them, right? She can give it up for adoption. She can have it knowing she's unfit and someone else will have to pick up the slack. That's all good and well.

    But the man should be forced into parenthood, no matter what the circumstance or how unable he might be, and that's just too damn bad for him?

    You're no better than anti-choicers in the sexism and shaming and lack of care for liberty that you express against men.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    In one case I know of, yes, she did actually admit it. I also know of a case of a man admitting it after he got her pregnant.

    However, in many cases they don't, and I have no trouble accepting that they were "oopsed" because I have a good understanding of the situation, and I'm not going to explain that here.

    The way I know how they do it is, well... Google it. Plenty of people admit to doing this to their partners. It's actually way more common than people think.

    You're concerned with the child's rights, as long as the woman doesn't have to provide them, right? She can give it up for adoption. She can have it knowing she's unfit and someone else will have to pick up the slack. That's all good and well.

    But the man should be forced into parenthood, no matter what the circumstance or how unable he might be, and that's just too damn bad for him?

    You're no better than anti-choicers in the sexism and shaming and lack of care for liberty that you express against men.
    She can give up for adoption? If the father is known does he not have to agree to the adoption? I was under the impression there had to be a good faith effort to find the father so he will sign the papers as well. If this was very casual sex or bar pick ups or such, it may not be possible to know

    But you make it sound like a woman in each case has the right to give up the baby for adoption without the father's approval. I am not sure this is true. I had a coworker in danger of losing her soon to be born openly adopted baby because the father changed his mind. The father did some soul searching and ended up agreeing to the adoption, but there was a few weeks of tears and agony when it was thought that the adoption was in danger.

    But at least in this case, he had to sign the papers to give up parental rights and have the baby to be adopted legally. I am not sure how this relates to laws across the country or if this was a lawyer being over cautious. But my guess is there are laws against adopting the baby without good faith efforts to find the father.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    She can give up for adoption? If the father is known does he not have to agree to the adoption? I was under the impression there had to be a good faith effort to find the father so he will sign the papers as well. If this was very casual sex or bar pick ups or such, it may not be possible to know

    But you make it sound like a woman in each case has the right to give up the baby for adoption without the father's approval. I am not sure this is true. I had a coworker in danger of losing her soon to be born openly adopted baby because the father changed his mind. The father did some soul searching and ended up agreeing to the adoption, but there was a few weeks of tears and agony when it was thought that the adoption was in danger.

    But at least in this case, he had to sign the papers to give up parental rights and have the baby to be adopted legally. I am not sure how this relates to laws across the country or if this was a lawyer being over cautious. But my guess is there are laws against adopting the baby without good faith efforts to find the father.
    And how tough is it for her to simply not reveal the father? Not tough at all.

    Lots of women hide their pregnancies. The hospital has no recourse if she simply says she doesn't know, whether that's true or not. What are they gonna do about it?

    The man can't do anything without the woman allowing him to. Not even as pertains to his own life.

    On the other hand, the woman can do virtually anything she wants without his permission or knowledge, including give away the baby and ensuring he will never even see it.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    And interestingly (although, to me anyway, totally unsurprisingly), a lot of the pro-choicers here don't accept it when it pertains to men.

    I prefer not to be sexist towards anyone, personally. When I say I'm pro-choice, there's no qualifiers about which sex you must be in order to control your own life.
    I have no idea what this even means. Can you please clarify?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    And how tough is it for her to simply not reveal the father? Not tough at all.

    Lots of women hide their pregnancies. The hospital has no recourse if she simply says she doesn't know, whether that's true or not. What are they gonna do about it?

    The man can't do anything without the woman allowing him to. Not even as pertains to his own life.

    On the other hand, the woman can do virtually anything she wants without his permission or knowledge, including give away the baby and ensuring he will never even see it.
    So a woman who says something is evil and if she withholds the information she is evil as well.

    Y'all keep talking about fair, and it just comes off as a temper tantrum.

    The bottom line is that once the baby is born it is about the baby. And if the baby needs to be supported - daddy - whether he throws a tantrum or not is just gonna have to "man up" and except the consequences of his actions.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So a woman who says something is evil and if she withholds the information she is evil as well.

    Y'all keep talking about fair, and it just comes off as a temper tantrum.

    The bottom line is that once the baby is born it is about the baby. And if the baby needs to be supported - daddy - whether he throws a tantrum or not is just gonna have to "man up" and except the consequences of his actions.
    What?

    All I think is that men should be allowed to make their own decisions. I honestly don't care what she does, so long as she isn't trying to force anyone else to do her wishes.

    Daddy has to support the baby, but apparently mommy doesn't. Mommy can do whatever she wants with it, but you don't think the man has any say at all.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Oy Vey!
    That is not proof of your position.
    Nor can you provide proof of such.

    Consent to have sex is not consent to have a child.
    Nothing in what you provided says so.
    You are engaging in silliness.

    As I previously stated; If sex resulted in pregnancy a majority of the time, you might be able to assert such a claim. As it is, it doesn't, so your position is silly.
    Consent to have sex is not consent to have a child, only to sex.

    Especially when contraceptives are involved. Which plainly indicate there is no consent to a child.


    No it is not Jerry.
    You can ignore that all you want and continue to hold to your absolutely absurdly idiotic position, but it changes nothing.
    Consent to sex is not consent to a child.

    I have debunked this in different ways.
    So for you and those like you, lets go in this direction.

    We already know that this isn't consent to have a child because if it was then the woman would also be consenting to a child by having sex. Yet that simply isn't true. Her choice to consents comes later when she knows she is pregnant.
    If it isn't consent for her at the time of sex, it isn't consent for the male either.
    Stop being irrational....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    But lets go with your absurd idea that it is. (even though it isn't)
    The woman later gets to change her mind/withdraw consent once she finds out she is pregnant.
    Since she gets to do this, then so should the male.
    It is only fair and proper.
    Neither should be able to. No pregnancy should be aborted except for medical necessity. Neither the man nor the woman should be able to opt out. That's fair to all 3 people involved, not just the mother and father.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Everything is so unfair to us men!

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Hi RM. Hows things today?

    Since you wish to see something along the lines of a "Model Statute" here is a link to a dissertation provided by Melanie G. McCulley. It' starts off like this:



    The rest (along with some good reading on the merits) can be found here: http://maleabortion.com/

    Perhaps that will help.

    Wow, what a BIZARRE TWIST OF REASONING. To claim that because rotten deadbeat fathers don't pay child support and the children don't like that, then the solution is to make EVERYONE a deadbeat dad.

    Why not argue that because rape upsets women, then the solution is to legalize non-consensual sex thereby eliminating "rape."

    The claim in your link is absurd. The child won't like having a deadbeat dad - whether or not being a deadbeat parent is legalized. Not many little children read the statutes of the Family Code. Not requiring child support would not eliminate a deadbeat father being a deadbeat father. That makes as much sense as saying no one is troubled anymore by adultery because it is no longer illegal.

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