View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Which is exactly what the misogynists don't accept, at least for women.
    And interestingly (although, to me anyway, totally unsurprisingly), a lot of the pro-choicers here don't accept it when it pertains to men.

    I prefer not to be sexist towards anyone, personally. When I say I'm pro-choice, there's no qualifiers about which sex you must be in order to control your own life.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That last line is nonsense.

    Women are not generally allowed to give up parental rights either.
    Uh, yeah, they are. Again, it's called giving up a child for adoption.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That's what it is that blows my mind about women who can't accept that they are solely responsible for their own bodies, and for what happens to their bodies (absent a case of rape or forced incest).
    They want the freedom and the choice, but they don't want to make sure that they are protected against unwanted pregnancy, not to mention the other risks they are taking with unprotected sex.
    This is junior high school grade knowledge here.



    Condoms do not provide 100% protection against anything.




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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    In order for a male to get a choice to abort the baby or leave its life he needs to prior to intercourse sign leagle documents for him to be able to do that if not and if the females has a lawyer on the ready she can battle his statement by saying he did not say that before they had intercourse or she would not have agreed . and she would probably win

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Pro-choice is about a women's right to control her own body. It is not about what happens when the baby is born.

    I did not take child support. I could have forced the issue, but frankly I was always the breadwinner, I saw no reason to make him destitute to pay for our child.

    But have him totally relinquish future need to support. Nope.

    There was a time when I needed several ankle surgeries to get back to work. I was off about a year. I had to cobra my healthcare .Had he not been a "legal" parent, I would not have had the ability to switch our son over to his health care. As it was, a unique opportunity presented itself, and I was able to keep him covered with me - but not at cobra prices.

    This is not what is in the man's or woman's best interest....it is what is in the child's best interest.

    And as someone stated earlier, if mom goes searching for welfare and ongoing support? Why should the state pay for a child when there is another parent to possibly help with the bills. Hell, the ability alone to place the child on a good health insurance plan (read not Medicaid) is a good thing. As a taxpayer I would say...you better be going after both parents to support this child before the state gives out my tax dollars.

    But yeah, I elected not to receive support for my child, as I was always the breadwinner. But give away total future rights for my child - are you nuts?

    What about social security benefits? Why the hell would I give up his rights to his social security benefit?
    Yes, I'm aware of that. What I'm pointing out is the principle that underlies being pro-choice. Or haven't you considered that?

    Well, good for you. That doesn't mean a man shouldn't have a right, subject to the same limitations and time frames women have, to relinquish their parental rights. No one should be forced into parenthood.

    If the woman wants to make a unilateral decision, she will have consider what is best for the child herself.

    Ever person must at some point consider whether they are fit to parent a child, and guess what. Lots of people decide to parent even when they are unfit. Lots of people decide not to when they probably could.

    We don't force adequately financed women to birth. We don't force inadequately financed women to adopt out or abort.

    People, right now, make their own decisions about what's best for their child.

    What you are arguing is that men should be the SINGULAR exception to that. You are arguing a man, by himself, should be the only person who is NOT allowed to make his own decision.

    Women give up rights to their children all the time. Apparently it's an option some people want.

    I have already addressed the welfare issue. In short: child support rarely stops anyone from going on welfare, if they are truly that broke, men avoid paying all the time, and the government renders child support less effective by taking some of the cut if the custodial parent is on assistance.

    Our current system doesn't work, and it doesn't respect men's rights either.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Condoms do not provide 100% protection against anything.




    "Condoms aren't completely safe. A friend of mine was wearing one and he got hit by a bus." ~ Bob Rubin

    Thank God I didn't have to worry about buses as much as teenage girls in heat.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Claiming a man has a "fundamental human liberty" to abandon him child isn't "human liberty." It is the basest form of animalism in my opinion.
    It isn't his child to abandon until he's taken it into his home. Until a child has a family, it's nobody's child.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There are no parental obligations to a ZEF, so an abortion does not absolve her of parental obligations.

    One can't absolve oneself of obligations that don't exist
    So if neither "parent" has any legal or moral obligations to the ZEF, how does a man become obligated to the ZEF when it is born?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is no fundamental human liberty to not support your child
    There is, however, a fundamental human liberty to make your own reproductive choices.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    In order for a male to get a choice to abort the baby or leave its life he needs to prior to intercourse sign leagle documents for him to be able to do that if not and if the females has a lawyer on the ready she can battle his statement by saying he did not say that before they had intercourse or she would not have agreed . and she would probably win
    Yep. There is no legal contract that exempts a parent from child support, because child support is owed to the child, who cannot sign a contract.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    There is, however, a fundamental human liberty to make your own reproductive choices.
    Yes and that choice is made when you have sex.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You seem to be confused.
    It doesn't work that way.

    In general.
    If something exists, evidence for it's existence can be shown.
    If it doesn't, none can be provided.
    Nor can evidence be provided to show something does not exist, which does not exist.

    Therefore; Consent to have sex, is not consent to have a child.
    Procreation is the whole reason we have sex drives and genders in the first place. Duh. That you have sex for secondary reasons does not negate the first. Pretty simple stuff, but if you still don't know what the *reproductive* systom is for then a 4th grade life-sciences or biology or sex-ed book will educate you well.

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