View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What other "unfairness to men" do you think we-the-people should have to pay for? What other chores of men that are not fair and the man doesn't want to do should we-the-people have to do for them?
    I don't support violating a person's fundamental human liberties to save tax money. What other liberties do you support suspending in order to save the State money?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Ok, I will give you fair. When the man gets pregnant. He can "absolve" himself of financial responsibility in this manner as well. Fair is fair. You want equal - you got it.
    This is utterly disingenuous and ignores the entire crux of the argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    It is predictable that you narrowed abortion to just be about absolving the woman of financial responsibility.
    It isn't about being absolved of financial responsibility. It's about not being forced into a solemn and profound obligation against one's will. You're the one narrowing down a father's responsibilities to nothing more than financial support-- which is also a direct consequence of coercing them into providing that support in the first place.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No, you're very wrong. But you're relying on oversimplifications to reach a predetermined conclusion,so you were pretty much guaranteed to be wrong.
    You said that "having sex is not consenting to have a child." Then you went on about custody. So you did not clearly answer the question at all.

    So answer this simple question, yes or no:

    Should a man who does not "consent to have a child" be on the hook for supporting that child if the woman decides to have it?

    Once you've answered with a simple yes or no (because that's all that's required), if the answer is yes, tell me why he should be forced to support a child he did not consent to.

    (This is your opportunity to be crystal clear and dispel any possible confusion about your position.)
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    I oppose all abortion but legally a man should have the same rights as the woman.
    It would seem clear by your message the reason you oppose abortion has nothing to do with the fetus and only about the man having power.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    I can understand a person being bitter about a breakup or divorce.

    I can understand some people want the other person to suffer terribly in a breakup or divorce.

    I can understand some people would rather property be destroyed than the other person having it in a breakup or divorce.

    But wanting your own child to suffer to harm the other person and child is as cold-hearted as it gets. All the claims of "this is fair" is real sicko stuff in my opinion.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It would seem clear by your message the reason you oppose abortion has nothing to do with the fetus and only about the man having power.
    Sure because that resembles something I said.


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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I don't support violating a person's fundamental human liberties to save tax money. What other liberties do you support suspending in order to save the State money?

    Yes, of course. Child need zero attention. Just put them in a box and stuff food through an opening? Children only need things money can buy and otherwise just stuck in a cage like an unwanted pet turned in to the animal shelter.

    Claiming a man has a "fundamental human liberty" to abandon him child isn't "human liberty." It is the basest form of animalism in my opinion.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Sure because that resembles something I said.

    Point to anything in your messages on this topic that show you give the slightest damn about the child and you may have a point.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    This isn't just a post to you, minnie, but to a lot of people who seem unclear about what is being discussed here.

    As far as I am understanding it, we are discussing men relinquishing ALL parental rights, and not paying child support.

    That is different from simply being a non-custodial parent. A non-custodial parent still has legal rights to the child, and thus may pay child support if requested. They are still, oficially, a parent -- just not one the child is living with on a significant basis.

    We're discussing a man who basically gives up his child for "adoption" (presumably to the woman, or perhaps to someone else if she doesn't want it either). He has relinquished all of his parental rights.

    A woman who gives up all rights to a child does not pay child support.

    What we're arguing about here is, basically, the fact that men are generally not allowed to give up parental rights.
    That last line is nonsense.

    Women are not generally allowed to give up parental rights either.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If a woman aborts during the first few months of pregnancy, she absolves herself of her parental obligations for 18 years, too. Nobody is talking about allowing the father of a ten year old child to change his mind and shirk his duties to his children-- only that he should have the same right to refuse to become a parent as women have.
    There are no parental obligations to a ZEF, so an abortion does not absolve her of parental obligations.

    One can't absolve oneself of obligations that don't exist
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