View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I just told you how. You said the contract would do it. You legislate the contract as the default. Done.

    There are any number of things which do exactly this, like warranty rights. They used to be simply contractual. Now they're statutory. It's exactly the same thing.




    Whether or not it's a "fact," it's irrelevant to the question.
    That undermines choice...if there was a legislated contract. A sweeping contract...isn't anything more than saying that even women who don't believe in abortion...and who wouldn't have to enter into the same contract...isn't an option. Sorry...no banana. A woman might agree to having a child and giving it to the man if he wants...and some do, but she would be removed from any further responsibility.

    There various ways to write a contract...and that's between relationships...not the government. Screw them.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    In other words, there is no consistent principle by which fatherhood is assigned-- the system is based on sticking the responsibility to any poor sucker it can find.

    And you support this.



    I don't support bringing fatherless children into the world, but I think it's better than forcing men into unwanted parenthood. That is a profound violation of his human rights and the natural order; it is morally inexcusable.
    Yes, but if I remember correctly you also believe the child may be killed up to 3 days after birth.

    As for forcing men to be fathers against their will, after the 3-day kill-period (if I got that right), you instead do support SOMEONE forced to raise the child, don't you? Just not the father. The who? Who do you want to FORCE to raise the child?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    That undermines choice...if there was a legislated contract. A sweeping contract...isn't anything more than saying that even women who don't believe in abortion...and who wouldn't have to enter into the same contract...isn't an option. Sorry...no banana. A woman might agree to having a child and giving it to the man if he wants...and some do, but she would be removed from any further responsibility.

    There various ways to write a contract...and that's between relationships...not the government. Screw them.
    It undermines nothing. Anyone can still choose to have a baby and to be a parent to that baby, or to do anything you say here. All it does is keep someone else from making that choice for you.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "From the moment he's notified" indicates he DIDN'T know about the child.

    Never mind; I have no patience for a merry-go-round of stupid tonight. You carry on.
    Holy ****!

    Once he's notified, he knows about the child.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Holy ****!

    Once he's notified, he knows about the child.
    Good lord. But not before the baby was born.

    Like I said -- merry-go-round of stupid.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Good lord. But not before the baby was born.

    Like I said -- merry-go-round of stupid.
    That wasn't the qualifier CP stated. :

    His qualifier was just that the guy knew he had a child. And we were talking in terms of after the child was born.

    Read it again. Only this time, concentrate.


    "On the contrary, I have yet to see anyone argue in favor of a post-birth abrogation of responsibility assuming he knew of the child." ~ cpwill

    I posted someone saying men should be allowed to do just that even if they're notified after the birth.

    Holy ****! :

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    That wasn't the qualifier CP stated. :

    His qualifier was just that the guy knew he had a child. And we were talking in terms of after the child was born.

    Read it again. Only this time, concentrate.


    "On the contrary, I have yet to see anyone argue in favor of a post-birth abrogation of responsibility assuming he knew of the child." ~ cpwill

    I posted someone saying men should be allowed to do just that even if they're notified after the birth.

    Holy ****! :
    Yeah, holy ****, but it's because cpwill's qualifier clearly contemplated that the father knew about the child before birth.

    Good God, I let myself get sucked into the stupid anyway. I have no one but myself to blame -- it was plain as day; the gaping vortex of stupid was right there in front of me.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Does the woman agree to that if she has sex with a man?
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Illustration of what I said earlier:
    Okay, so for those of you who aren't keeping up, I'm making fun of you. I'm making fun of all the idiots who spout that kind of nonsense when we're talking about a woman's right to an abortion, and then here is a thread full of pissy men who can't stand to live up to the same standard they're trying to apply to women, and whining about how hard it is to be privileged because they're not even more privileged than they already are.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Okay, so for those of you who aren't keeping up, I'm making fun of you. I'm making fun of all the idiots who spout that kind of nonsense when we're talking about a woman's right to an abortion, and then here is a thread full of pissy men who can't stand to live up to the same standard they're trying to apply to women, and whining about how hard it is to be privileged because they're not even more privileged than they already are.
    If you can find where I've ever "spouted that kind of nonsense" at any women's rights, you might have a point. Until then, you most certainly don't.

    In any case, I suspect you meant it earnestly, and that's really what you do think about the question of this thread. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about that and you do see it as an unfair double-standard.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It undermines nothing. Anyone can still choose to have a baby and to be a parent to that baby, or to do anything you say here. All it does is keep someone else from making that choice for you.
    Man...you've missed the boat. A contract need not legislated. One contract won't fit all variables. A legal Contract is between 2 agreeing people...without the ****ing government involved.

    How people want to agree is none of your business...my business or the ****ing governments business. It will be enforceable...without government.

    What's so hard to understand about a contract?

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