View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Does the woman agree to that if she has sex with a man?
    IN FACT, upon birth the woman has exactly the same legal obligations as the bio-father does.

    It has already been pointed out:
    1. Any man who becomes pregnant has exactly the same right to abort or not as a woman - and the woman can not prevent that decision.
    2. No woman has any legal ability to force a man to undergo a medical procedure nor prevent him from having a medical procedure.
    3. No man has any legal ability to force a man to undergo a medical procedure nor prevent him from having a medical procedure.

    There is no "unfairness."

    What are reading - again - is men demanding special rights and powers women do not have.

    1. Many on this thread claim a man should have a right to extort a woman into having an abortion - but if not successful - then
    2. The man should have the right to have full parental rights OR fully economically and in all other ways abort the child from birth thru the rest of the children's lives.

    Personally, I think any bio-parent - man or woman - is becomes a deadbeat abandoning her or his child is a rotten a person as there can be. Deadbeat parents - man or woman - as despicable. If a bio-parent abandons a child after birth - UNLESS a fully capable and irreversibly adoptive replace is found - should be 1.) forcibly sterilized to never do so again and 2.) imprisoned until the child turns 18.

    I see all this whining, boo-boo, life's so unfair to men claiming the just thing to do is abandon their own children to leave them more $$ to spend at the strip-club and a nice pick-up car is so much BS. They reveal how much they should never be parents as it is all only about himself and his child is exactly nothing to him.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Now ya have ...

    "Yes. A firm backdrop. He gets 90 days firm from the point he is notified to make his choice. Even if she has already given birth. " ~ Excon
    Did you even read what you quoted?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    IN FACT, upon birth the woman has exactly the same legal obligations as the bio-father does.
    Whether or not the birth happens is entirely under her control. The rest of your post is obviated by that.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Let me ask a question, then, for all you people who argue a man should be responsible for the children he created: if a father and a mother are getting divorced, and the issue of paternity comes up, should the man be exempted from child support for children that a DNA tests concludes are not related to him by blood? Let's say he's been raising them for years and the issue of paternity never came up before the divorce.
    Most courts rule he has to pay. But there is a reason for that and one most seem to just blow past.

    SOMEONE HAS TO PAY THE EXPENSES OF THAT CHILD. That is a fact. So the court asks WHO? Who has to pay - and the court MUST pick who. Must pick SOMEONE.

    Granted, many men on this thread suddenly all became Maoist communist socialists claiming it is the government that is the true parent of all children and that the government should provide everything for free - including raising people's child if they don't want to.

    But most judges and most courts are NOT total communists and socialists. Thus, the reason they say that man has to pay is because it makes more sense he has to rather than total strangers (ie tax-payers).

    They will say the same about the woman too if the man gets the kid(s).
    Last edited by joko104; 09-19-13 at 10:34 PM.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Whether or not the birth happens is entirely under her control. The rest of your post is obviated by that.
    That is entirely irrelevant to anything

    This may came as a totally repulsive shock to you, but there are actually people - like myself and my wife - that actual think the child's life come BEFORE that of the parents - and that a parent should be willing to give up his or her life to save the life of their child.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So in your opinion she can declare the bio-father has no rights towards the child upon birth without exception?
    Yes. Not so much that she can declare that he has no rights, but that he has no rights unless she declares otherwise-- it's nothing against men, it's the fact that genetics are absolutely morally irrelevant to my concept of paternity. Mothers and fathers are equal partners in parenthood, but a man isn't a father until the mother has given the child to him, and he has chosen to give it his name.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In general, you have rare views on these topics. Does anyone else agree with that?
    Can't speak for anyone else in specific, but there are people who agree with me, at least in general terms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    But that would sure mess up those spontaneous wild nights of fun and frolic known as a one night stand.
    Now, wouldn't that just be a tragedy?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    I used to post how the United States and Americans increasing are coming to despise children and in general trivial them - to exchange it with a me!ish culture. The poll numbers confirm this. Half the members of the forum see children as having no more value than kittens or puppies your pet has that you don't want - even if their own child. Just dump your child off at the animal shelter.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is entirely irrelevant to anything
    No, it's at the very heart of the matter. If you don't think it is, then you do not understand the point of the argument.


    This may came as a totally repulsive shock to you, but there are actually people - like myself and my wife - that actual think the child's life come BEFORE that of the parents - and that a parent should be willing to give up his or her life to save the life of their child.
    That sounds like the argument for outlawing abortion.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    SOMEONE HAS TO PAY THE EXPENSES OF THAT CHILD. That is a fact. So the court asks WHO? Who has to pay - and the court MUST pick who. Must pick SOMEONE.
    In other words, there is no consistent principle by which fatherhood is assigned-- the system is based on sticking the responsibility to any poor sucker it can find.

    And you support this.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Granted, many men on this thread suddenly all became Maoist communist socialists claiming it is the government that is the true parent of all children and that the government should provide everything for free - including raising people's child if they don't want to.
    I don't support bringing fatherless children into the world, but I think it's better than forcing men into unwanted parenthood. That is a profound violation of his human rights and the natural order; it is morally inexcusable.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes. Not so much that she can declare that he has no rights, but that he has no rights unless she declares otherwise-- it's nothing against men, it's the fact that genetics are absolutely morally irrelevant to my concept of paternity. Mothers and fathers are equal partners in parenthood, but a man isn't a father until the mother has given the child to him, and he has chosen to give it his name.



    Can't speak for anyone else in specific, but there are people who agree with me, at least in general terms.



    Now, wouldn't that just be a tragedy?
    Well, at this point in my life...it probably would kill me. If the wild times didn't get me, my wife would...so yes a tragedy...

    I guess bars could have a service that would have contracts on hand...with a notary.

    While I do respect your puritan views...human sexual behaviors won't be tamed by punitive efforts.

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